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    3031 - that is just a tick slower than 4064 - correct?
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    No, actually IMR 3031 is a faster than IMR 4064, and a little faster than IMR 4895.

    I also use IMR 3031 for my 30/06 Tanker Garand Hunting loads. Mainly because I have a bunch of it on hand but it gives great accuracy in the 30/06 as well.

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    Also IMR 3031 would be an ideal powder for the 30/06 Mini-G.

    Guys with the M1-A 16" SOCOMS really seem to like my 308 loads.

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    For burning speeds IMR 3031 is on the fast end IMR 4064 is the slowest, Varget is maybe a tic slower but still comparable too IMR 4064.

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    I have read (Zedicker?) that 3031 is a good one to use. I have a lot of 150FMJ - have you tried to work up a load using those, or should I just choke it up and buy some heavier projectiles?
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    Usually the bulk made 150gr FMJ bullets are not the most accurate of bullets.

    It has been my experience with the 308, and the 30/06 that 165/168 gr bullets are much more accurate.

    In the 308 I use 42 gr of IMR 3031 with 150gr hunting bullets, and they hit very close to Military ball.

    In the 30/06 Tanker I load 48gr of IMR 3031 with 150gr hunting bullets, but I have had much better accuracy with 165/168gr bullets with 46gr of IMR 3031.

    With 180 gr hunting bullets I load 44 gr of IMR 3031.

    None of these loads are near max hot loads, but they shot good in my 30/06 Tanker, and it runs 100% with them.

    Most experts will say that IMR 4895 is the best powder for all round use in the 30/06 Garand. And I do not disagree, but I never use it, simply because I have a bunch of IMR 3031 on hand and it works for me in the loads I use.

    I have used IMR 3031 in the 223, light loads in the 243, for the 308, and 30/06, for light loads in the 300 Win Mag, in the 350 Rem Mag, light loads in the 375 H&H, for the 405WCF, light loads in the 416 Rem Mag, for the 45/70, and light loads in my 450 No2. Plus a few other applications I just cannot think of over the years.

    It is a very useful powder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Humperdink View Post
    Yeah,well You chop up Garands into little abominations so Your opinion doesn't matter
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    Quote Originally Posted by NE450No2 View Post
    Usually the bulk made 150gr FMJ bullets are not the most accurate of bullets.

    It has been my experience with the 308, and the 30/06 that 165/168 gr bullets are much more accurate.

    In the 308 I use 42 gr of IMR 3031 with 150gr hunting bullets, and they hit very close to Military ball.

    In the 30/06 Tanker I load 48gr of IMR 3031 with 150gr hunting bullets, but I have had much better accuracy with 165/168gr bullets with 46gr of IMR 3031.

    With 180 gr hunting bullets I load 44 gr of IMR 3031.

    None of these loads are near max hot loads, but they shot good in my 30/06 Tanker, and it runs 100% with them.

    Most experts will say that IMR 4895 is the best powder for all round use in the 30/06 Garand. And I do not disagree, but I never use it, simply because I have a bunch of IMR 3031 on hand and it works for me in the loads I use.

    I have used IMR 3031 in the 223, light loads in the 243, for the 308, and 30/06, for light loads in the 300 Win Mag, in the 350 Rem Mag, light loads in the 375 H&H, for the 405WCF, light loads in the 416 Rem Mag, for the 45/70, and light loads in my 450 No2. Plus a few other applications I just cannot think of over the years.

    It is a very useful powder.
    How does this 3031 workwith lighter bullets? I've been using the 168 AMAX and 4064 in my Garand and M1A but want to start shooting the lighter bullets and move to a powder that meters thru m Dillon. I've been thinking about the 135SMK. I'd also like to find one bullet and one powder that I can use for my M1A (1-12 twist), O3A3 (1-10 twist) and Garand (1-10 twist). Does 3031 meter well?
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    I will not say that IMR 3031 meters real well, if you were to weigh each thrown charge. However I have used it thrown from a measure for service rifle loads to 600 yards with excellent accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Humperdink View Post
    Yeah,well You chop up Garands into little abominations so Your opinion doesn't matter

    Prince, I do not have a Garand "chopped up" by Tim.

    However, I do have a 308, and a 30/06 Tanker Garand "chopped up" by another guy before I heard of Tim, that I have owned for several years before I heard of Tim.

    Also let me say that I really like regular sized Garands, and regular sized M14's.

    I have found the shorter "chopped up" Garand in 308, or 30/06 to be a most excellent rifle. It is one of my most favorite rifles.

    IF you are a M14 Freek, that is OK by me. You might want to try a M14M1-A Bush/Scout Squad Rifle.

    ie, a "chopped up" M14. I like them too.

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