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    Garand 2 gun


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    We have several here who use the G for this, at least one does very well. Steve Fisher (spelling) has a .308 G with an Ultimak and Aimpoint (I think that's what's on it) and commonly places in the top two or three.

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    Hoping to try it myself this year. I test fit a small Doctor type red dot on mine last night, and found that the sight was actually too low. It actually looked (sight not zeroed) as though it would exactly cowitness the irons. That looked too "busy" to me. I'd probably put the sight on a riser if I go that route, so that the irons don't obstruct the window of the mini red dot. I think the Aimpoint sits higher, so might work better.

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    The main guy I spoke of, wanted the sights to co witness. That seems to be a big deal.

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    Not claiming to have "the" answer here, but from setting up red dots on AR's, I find that Im OK when the irons are visible in the window of the red dot, but not exactly in the center, where the irons can cause me to take longer to aquire the target. I find that for me, a low cowitness is OK, like the member with the aimpont comp in the picture thread . He states that he has a low co witness of the irons, in the aimpont. I have found that works. With the AR's I have sometimes mounted the primary magnified tube optic in the conventional location, with a mini red dot canted at a 45 degree angle to the right side. I'm righty, so I just tilt the gun to use the red dot for the close stuff (most of the shots) and tilt it back vertical to use the magnified optic for the (few) long shots. I may try that layout on my G. The beauty of that setup is that there is nothing to obstruct the reticles of each optic so I can aquire the target as fast as possible (for me). The Eotechs have a very large window which helps with rapid sight aquisition, but I think it would look really horrendouse mounted in the scout configuration on a G.

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    I've been wanting to take a carbine class and get into to 2-gun with my Mini G. I have no experience doing this, but think he could've done better if he found some other way to reload vs across his body with the left hand.

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    I've shot some matches, all with guns that had box mags, so the enblocs are going to take some time for me to figure out what works best for me. Aside from the fact that the enblocs seem to require more effort to load, there is the matter of them not ejecting untill empty. With the box mags you can reload on the run, whereever/whenever is convenient, by just dropping the mag, empty or not. You can also setup your reloads so you don't need to reload in the middle of a target array, just by timing your reloads. I haven't figured out any way that you're going to be able to do that with the enblocs. I was thinking that you might be able to utilize one of those Holebrook setups to give some flexibility, but I'm still not 100% sure how they function. Shooting against time, on the run, can be a lot of fun, as long as you're lucky enough to be squaded with a good crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jgun View Post
    I've shot some matches, all with guns that had box mags, so the enblocs are going to take some time for me to figure out what works best for me. Aside from the fact that the enblocs seem to require more effort to load, there is the matter of them not ejecting untill empty. With the box mags you can reload on the run, whereever/whenever is convenient, by just dropping the mag, empty or not. You can also setup your reloads so you don't need to reload in the middle of a target array, just by timing your reloads. I haven't figured out any way that you're going to be able to do that with the enblocs. I was thinking that you might be able to utilize one of those Holebrook setups to give some flexibility, but I'm still not 100% sure how they function. Shooting against time, on the run, can be a lot of fun, as long as you're lucky enough to be squaded with a good crowd.
    I bet it's a blast. There's no way to get around do e of the limitations of the en bloc, but I've been practicing speedy reloads utilizing a stock pouch. It seems to work pretty well. I'm very inconsistent and I need to practice a lot more, but when I hit it right, it's fairly quick. The weak link is quickly opening the pouch and removing the en bloc with any consistency.

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    From my experience with the other guns, I think that you want some type of mag pouch setup, probably on a waist belt. Understand, shooting matches is not real world, so an open topped pouch with the enbloc presented in the proper orientation for a quick grab is what you're looking for in the matches (that I've shot). I understand that there are other, more real world focused matches, where you would need a pouch with a flap to retain the clip during strenuous activity, but for my stuff, thats not needed. I made a call to Blade tech, I've used their Kydex pouches to shoot Saiga shotgun matches and they are excellent. I'm waiting to see if they can offer me something like that for the enblocs. I see that Jerry at Olongapo has a nice belt setup, I'm just not sure if it will be ideal for fast reloads. I think that you'll find that your reloads are faster once you get a better setup than the stock pouch. This is just conjecture because I've not tried the stock pouches, but I don't think You want to have to reach over the gun to the right side to retrieve the mag. With an enbloc presented on your weak hand side, you just reach down and have it in your hand as soon as the old one ejects. It's really about having fun, but we're always trying to find a way to go faster. (and make all our hits).

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    I'd like to do some of the carbine classes or matches that are a little more "real world." Now, I don't think I'll ever be in any sort of gunfight with my Mini G, but the practical side of it appeals to me.

    Also, reloading from the weak side seems really slow to me. It's just not how the Garand is designed to be loaded. I've been using my strong side hand for the reloads. I think if one was to shoot 2 gun with it, they'd need a belt like you're talking about, but on the strong hand side. I guess to make room, you could drop your sidearm down to a thigh rig. Or...I wonder if Olongapo's Grab n Go would work at all

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