Canes, since you're in IT, you must also laugh at both the forum's who try to raise money to "keep the forum open" and at those on a forum who will want to close a thread to "save bandwidth". It costs less then $20 a year to keep some forum's open. Even a Vbulletion forum like the CMP or this one is less than $100 a year. A forum is cheap and I highly advise people to not fall for memberships on them where you are paying to support the forum and given some sort of status to do so. I fell for that once, just once. Then I got a forum and laughed at myself.