To my new york customer, as now listed on my ordering page

[timshufflin]

If you are from new york (lower case intentionally), I can make a Mini-G, the NyG, so that it should comply with your lawmakers mentally inept infringements on the 2nd Amendment. This rifle would be a Standard Mini-G in 30/06, minus the bayonet lug. If your inept lawmakers consider the gas lock threads as "threads meant for a flash hider", I am working on pinning the gas cylinder on and removing the threads. There is almost nothing a FREE MAN cannot do to out think tyrants.



To my new york brothers and sisters behind enemy lines when ordering a new rifle, you must make sure that your receiving FFL can receive the rifle you order and that it is compliant with your laws. I cannot make a custom rifle for you and then refund your money if you cannot accept it. The onus has to be on you as the purchaser. Make sure you know your local laws, this is your responsibility as I cannot possibly know every law for every state or city in this country.

[axemurderer]

Tim just to clarify, I must use an FFL to recieve a rifle I already own and shipped to you for modification????? Or just a complete rifle purchased from you? I keep reading the new bill and only get depressed, so I may have missed something!

Mike

[timshufflin]

By Federal law, if you own a rifle, you do not need an FFL to ship it. If you purchase a new rifle, you would need an FFL to receive it.

[axemurderer]

Thank you Tim, I thought they put that in the bill and I missed it.

Mike

[Shug]

Another tech solution would be to buy new barrels and install w/o the gas port in the barrel drilled. That turns the G into a straight pull bolt action. Are bolt actions w/8 round fixed mags banned under the NY law if they have a "scary feature",i.e. threaded barrel?

[timshufflin]

Another tech solution would be to buy new barrels and install w/o the gas port in the barrel drilled. That turns the G into a straight pull bolt action. Are bolt actions w/8 round fixed mags banned under the NY law if they have a "scary feature",i.e. threaded barrel?

Heck with that, no semi auto is where I quit.

[ordmm]

Another tech solution would be to buy new barrels and install w/o the gas port in the barrel drilled. That turns the G into a straight pull bolt action. Are bolt actions w/8 round fixed mags banned under the NY law if they have a "scary feature",i.e. threaded barrel?

I don't mean any offence....But c'mon. How far do we want to buy into the madness? F*** New York laws. I'd rather bury an M1 than to submit the Rifle to that.

[KnickKnack]

I also wondered if I only eliminate the bayonet lug on the M1 rifles, would the barrel threads still qualify it as an "assault rifle". I'm making a list of questions to ask when I call the "hot line" next week. But, honestly, the answers won't make any difference, since they've already made the disclaimer that it is not legal advise. Either way, I'm changing nothing until this law has made it through the court challenges.

[Punch The Clown]

I also wondered if I only eliminate the bayonet lug on the M1 rifles, would the barrel threads still qualify it as an "assault rifle". I'm making a list of questions to ask when I call the "hot line" next week. But, honestly, the answers won't make any difference, since they've already made the disclaimer that it is not legal advise. Either way, I'm changing nothing until this law has made it through the court challenges.

KK, the new law states

A flash suppressor
Muzzle brake
Muzzle compensator

Or a threaded barrel DESIGNED to accommodate the above

I have a poor imagination, so I'm accepting the fact that the threads that are not at the muzzle were designed to hold the gas lock in place. If I had an imagination, I would say the threads at the breech technically could hold any of these devices albeit 24" forward and ban almost all guns completely.


If I were the gestapo Hot Line folks, I would answer "Yes, you have an assault weapon " to anyone that calls as getting rid of firearms is their mission.

[Shug]

Sorry if I struck a nerve with my suggestion. There wasn't any intent to offend. I just wanted to come up with a way for people to be compliant with the letter of NY's law while sending a middle finger to those who rushed it through their legislature with no prior notice or real debate.

Here in Maryland the Governor just introduced his AWB into the legislature last week. While it's not as draconian as the NY and MA laws, it still causes a lot of harm to lawful owners, does nothing to deter people who have criminal intent or have had psychotic breaks from reality, and goes against the both letter and spirit of the Supreme Court's Heller decision affirming 2A's individual right. Luckily, the MD legislature's procedures are long and drawn out so those of us who think his bill shouldn't be passed have had time to organize and contact our representatives. When the Gov first proposed it, he talked as if he had a slam dunk. But now it's looking like he has a real fight on his hands and may not have enough votes to pass it, and possibly might not even get it out of committee if a couple of fence sitters lean towards "no". And that might affect how other states that are thinking of imitating the NY act go.

The closed gas port idea allows those stick in NY to keep Garands in some condition long enough to get to the next election, after which a gas port can be added if enough legislative seats get new rear ends occupying them. Maybe NY will interpret the law such that the thread holding the GCL on a Garand aren't an evil feature and this whole thread will become irrelevant. But if not, it doesn't hurt to have workarounds ready.

[Erj]

...it doesn't hurt to have workarounds ready.

Yes it does. Here's an excellent letter my nephew wrote and he's granted permission to distribute. So please do.

Preparing to lose.

When the government physically comes to take your guns you have lost. We have all lost. If your efforts are focused on planning for that time, you are actively planning to lose.

The firearms industry is reporting the largest spike in sales in history, yet there are no reports from the post office of record spikes in letters to the city, state, or U.S. capitols.

Being prepared for the worst is a good practice but if that is all you are preparing for it is sure to come. A golfer does not spend all their time practicing for sand trap shots just as a quarterback does not spend all their time practicing getting sacked.

While recently attending the 2nd amendment rally at my state capitol, I was asked what I would do when the government was at my door demanding my guns. Perhaps the question would be better asked to the thousands and thousands of folks down the street at the gun show who were obviously spending their time and effort improving their position, rather than the few hundred people in front of me trying to avoid such a circumstance in the first place.

If you have not written, emailed, or called, your legislators, both local and federal, your sheriff, news outlets, businesses, both local and big box stores, you are part of the problem, and your silence is deafening. If you have, do it again, insist others do too, be the leader of your group and demand the rest do their part. Those remaining silent are watching our liberties bleed out on the ground, they aren’t stopping the bleeding, they aren’t even calling for a medic. At some point you have to take action, and you have to go that extra step, and now is the time.

Arm your self with facts, move out and draw fire. Don’t tolerate a fellow gun owner, or freedom lover, whose silence is as damaging as the tyrants roar. United we stand does not work if YOU are sitting down.

Ed Ford
Phoenix, Az


permission to distribute is granted

[KnickKnack]

KK, the new law states

A flash suppressor
Muzzle brake
Muzzle compensator

Or a threaded barrel DESIGNED to accommodate the above

I have a poor imagination, so I'm accepting the fact that the threads that are not at the muzzle were designed to hold the gas lock in place. If I had an imagination, I would say the threads at the breech technically could hold any of these devices albeit 24" forward and ban almost all guns completely.


If I were the gestapo Hot Line folks, I would answer "Yes, you have an assault weapon " to anyone that calls as getting rid of firearms is their mission.

I tend to agree with you here. But who is going to pay my court costs when I have to argue that the threads on the M1 rifle are not designed to accommodate those devices, after the gestopo shows up at the range and starts inspecting "assault weapons" to see if they have been modified or if they are registered? Even if I win my case against an uneducated legal system, I still can't afford the cost of going to court. I am tending to think that it may just be easier to register the guns, if things don't change within the next year, then it would be to jump through all the stupid hoops to avoid registering them. I also understand why you might want to grind off the bayonet lug and be done with it, I was thinking along the same lines. But why should I destroy parts of my rifle just to "comply"? Also, what if the grinding isn't done correctly? Will this weaken the cylinder? Everytime I think there may be a solution, I run into more questions. I'd be inclined at this point to just keep the guns locked up and never let them see the light of day again. But since I've purchased all of them from CMP, there is a record of them already. Eventually someone will figure that out and start looking through those records to see who has the guns in New York.

[Zwara]

TY for helping us out over here, yeah, i had just called earlier in the week about a NY mini-g and you had mentioned you had something brewing. very glad to see someone fightin for the garands!

[Punch The Clown]

Yes it does. Here's an excellent letter my nephew wrote and he's granted permission to distribute. So please do.

Preparing to lose.

When the government physically comes to take your guns you have lost. We have all lost. If your efforts are focused on planning for that time, you are actively planning to lose.

The firearms industry is reporting the largest spike in sales in history, yet there are no reports from the post office of record spikes in letters to the city, state, or U.S. capitols.

Being prepared for the worst is a good practice but if that is all you are preparing for it is sure to come. A golfer does not spend all their time practicing for sand trap shots just as a quarterback does not spend all their time practicing getting sacked.

While recently attending the 2nd amendment rally at my state capitol, I was asked what I would do when the government was at my door demanding my guns. Perhaps the question would be better asked to the thousands and thousands of folks down the street at the gun show who were obviously spending their time and effort improving their position, rather than the few hundred people in front of me trying to avoid such a circumstance in the first place.

If you have not written, emailed, or called, your legislators, both local and federal, your sheriff, news outlets, businesses, both local and big box stores, you are part of the problem, and your silence is deafening. If you have, do it again, insist others do too, be the leader of your group and demand the rest do their part. Those remaining silent are watching our liberties bleed out on the ground, they aren’t stopping the bleeding, they aren’t even calling for a medic. At some point you have to take action, and you have to go that extra step, and now is the time.

Arm your self with facts, move out and draw fire. Don’t tolerate a fellow gun owner, or freedom lover, whose silence is as damaging as the tyrants roar. United we stand does not work if YOU are sitting down.

Ed Ford
Phoenix, Az


permission to distribute is granted

You are so right. If a Mauser collector was told his/her firearms were not going to be confiscated, he/she would be out of the fight, watching the carnage from a safe distance. Same goes for Carbine, Garand, 1911, and so on. I can't lie and tell you that I wouldn't be happy if the govt would just leave me alone, but we know that will never be the case.

[GBMaryland]

I also wondered if I only eliminate the bayonet lug on the M1 rifles, would the barrel threads still qualify it as an "assault rifle". I'm making a list of questions to ask when I call the "hot line" next week. But, honestly, the answers won't make any difference, since they've already made the disclaimer that it is not legal advise. Either way, I'm changing nothing until this law has made it through the court challenges.

Maryland recently started to go off the deep end, and we started planning for the worst. At the moment, it appears that it would be a good idea to remove the bayonet lug just "in case."

I find it rather annoying.

In our case, if the rifle was designed to have a threaded end that works with the function of the rifle / handgun, then it should not be a problem.

Oddly, they've got an exception in the proposed law for both the M1 Garand (I've got a Mini-G conversion on order) and a the Colt AR-15A2 HBAR Sporter Match Rifle.

What I'm finding is that the law makers are CLUELESS. Seriously. They don't understand what "bad features" are, and other (more leftist) lawmakers are LYING to other so that the centrists will vote for the Bills.

[Shug]

The whole threaded barrel issue is language in the Federal ban (both the old, deservedly expired one and the new proposed one) for classifying long weapons. There is nothing in either SB281 (the AWB bill already passed by the MD Senate as amended) or in HB294 (the MD House version that is still being debated) calling threaded barrels on long guns an issue. It's only an issue in those two bills for sidearms (or "Assault Pistols" as the bills call them).

In the MD House committee hearings last Friday, ~32 people testified in favor of the AWB bill. ~1,307 testified against. Apparently it was the largest turnout for testimony against a proposed Maryland law in the state's 200+year history. If the bills pass, it will be because the fix was in before they were ever voted on, which became obvious in the audio stream of the Senate committee hearing on the bill where it sounded like the committee chair was actually directing committee members how to vote, not because of lack of effort on the part of the Pro 2A community.

If these bills become law, it will be mostly because of the seniority system in the state legislature that provides huge power to committee chairs. The House committee chair at least does deserve credit for allowing everyone to speak, to the extent that I understand the hearings went past 3AM the next morning so that everyone who signed up to testify on record, could.

Sorry to bother all the non-MD residents on this board with our problems, but it's important to hear about how much opposition there actually is to these bills, when state laws don't allow them to be ramrodded through overnight like in NY.
Shug

[cuppednlocked]

As a past resident of MD I wish you luck.

Remember, it's for the kids....

[GBMaryland]

As a past resident of MD I wish you luck.

Remember, it's for the kids....

At 43 we had our first child... he's now almost 2... If I really believed that this would make a difference, I'd consider it.

However, given that civilian copies of military rifles accounted for less than 400 murders in 2011, changes in the laws aren't going to make any difference.

I will tell you that Maryland Democrats, largely, honestly have no idea what they are talking about. ...and the few that do are in the "fix is in" category. Senator Frosh flat out lied to people on the floor of the State House... I've been talking directly with one Senator, and she's admitted to not knowing what she's talking about. Though she keeps saying to me that something needs to be done, but has not substanitive ideas.

Obviously, New York is worse... and that's hard to imagine at the moment. Right now it appears that our efforts in MD are paying off, as they are neudering the bills. I think we'll be in the position that they pass something, just to say they pass something, but that it'll be largely gutted. The reason I think this is that we have large numbers of people vocing disatisfaction with the whole thing, and we've been emailing, faxing, calling, and showing up; the anti-gun folks haven't done a damn thing... which is a suprise, and also tells us that the bulk of the population doesn't really care about the issue strongly.

We'll see.

In the case of a bayonet lug, removing it doesn't bother me... as it's a good way to cover things later. (I don't foresee a need to fix bayonets, and in my case I work better with a knife in close. -smile-)

Like CT, I think the bigger issue is that MD stands to loose $100 Million in taxes if the companies in the State move, and Beretta is seriously considering it. We don't have CT's 1.7 Billion in firearms production, but we're also small enough to be a concern if companies leave.

Sequestration alone will probably cost us $100 million in taxes... and the Senators were squibbling over enforcing the manadory sentences for people comiting crimes with firearms because it COSTS to much! Morons.

GB

[timshufflin]

If there were 100,000,000 murders a year from military weapons in this country, I would not consider even one gun law. You cannot consider such a law as it violates the US Constitution. What would be considered by me, is changing the Constitution, you know, amending it. I know amending the Constitution takes time, takes effort, takes serious consensus, but it is exactly the law of the land as set forth by the founders.

[GBMaryland]

Tim,

In theory I agree with you, but if we had 100,000,000 deaths related to firearms, we'd be in a civil war.

However, if you chould do a few small things to make a difference, that, say, lowered that stat to 100,000 murdered, and those "things" were no big deal... it might be worth it.

Obama's "Universal" back ground check is BS, because checking of sales between two people in the same State is none of his friggen business. Though, I suspect you might pick up 2-5% more inelligable people that way.

The NCIS stuff works well as it is, provided that States are actually sending the information to them. I know that Maryland is not, which makes us a big fat bunch of loosers.

States that make large use of "probation before judgement" need to start enforcing the minimum senatances that hey already have on the books. In Maryland, we've not been doing that, and 68% of firearms related crimes involve felons that are early released. God forbid we fix that problem...

These are the basic things that don't impact our Right, but could huge impact the criminal element.

I dunno...

[timshufflin]

Tim,

In theory I agree with you, but if we had 100,000,000 deaths related to firearms, we'd be in a civil war.

However, if you chould do a few small things to make a difference, that, say, lowered that stat to 100,000 murdered, and those "things" were no big deal... it might be worth it.

Obama's "Universal" back ground check is BS, because checking of sales between two people in the same State is none of his friggen business. Though, I suspect you might pick up 2-5% more inelligable people that way.

The NCIS stuff works well as it is, provided that States are actually sending the information to them. I know that Maryland is not, which makes us a big fat bunch of loosers.

States that make large use of "probation before judgement" need to start enforcing the minimum senatances that hey already have on the books. In Maryland, we've not been doing that, and 68% of firearms related crimes involve felons that are early released. God forbid we fix that problem...

These are the basic things that don't impact our Right, but could huge impact the criminal element.

I dunno...

nics works? How does it "work"? nics is an infringement, how can one reasonably infringe? I'm mystified by how you can reasonably violate the Constitution. The 2nd amendment clearly reads that if you are a US Citizen you need nothing more to own and bear a firearm.

[GBMaryland]

Clearly you have a stronger opinion that I do. NCIS is an agregated database the various State Police send information into. The fact that it prevents Fellons from aquiring firearms through dealers is useful. It's not flawless, it doesn't handle purchases not through a dealer... but what else would you propose?

[MH53GUNNER]

The whole threaded barrel issue is language in the Federal ban (both the old, deservedly expired one and the new proposed one) for classifying long weapons. There is nothing in either SB281 (the AWB bill already passed by the MD Senate as amended) or in HB294 (the MD House version that is still being debated) calling threaded barrels on long guns an issue. It's only an issue in those two bills for sidearms (or "Assault Pistols" as the bills call them).

In the MD House committee hearings last Friday, ~32 people testified in favor of the AWB bill. ~1,307 testified against. Apparently it was the largest turnout for testimony against a proposed Maryland law in the state's 200+year history. If the bills pass, it will be because the fix was in before they were ever voted on, which became obvious in the audio stream of the Senate committee hearing on the bill where it sounded like the committee chair was actually directing committee members how to vote, not because of lack of effort on the part of the Pro 2A community.

If these bills become law, it will be mostly because of the seniority system in the state legislature that provides huge power to committee chairs. The House committee chair at least does deserve credit for allowing everyone to speak, to the extent that I understand the hearings went past 3AM the next morning so that everyone who signed up to testify on record, could.

Sorry to bother all the non-MD residents on this board with our problems, but it's important to hear about how much opposition there actually is to these bills, when state laws don't allow them to be ramrodded through overnight like in NY.
Shug


Associated Gun Club of Baltimore reported that over 1 million emails went through their server to the elected officials in the Peoples Republik. Doubt they will care and the bill will become law. I will be damn if any of my Garands or carbines are butchered due to any new law.

The Md state police are running all the NICS checks on regulated firearms as defined under Md law. Currently it is taking over 45 days to get paperwork back on any firearm covered under Md's assault weapon and handgun laws. The existing law allows for the transfer of a regulated firearm after 7 business days. Since the state now does all the checks except on certain long guns citizens are denied their right under law to take possession of any firearm. The whole NICS check is just plain BS and is being abused by the state of Md.
What makes things worse is that FFL dealers cannot run the NICS check and transfer the firearm. Any dealer who does so will violate federal law. The state police have even sent out emails telling citizens not to even bother contacting them about the background check since they are processing over 600 applications a day. Yeah buddy the two troopers are real busy and the state will not add additional troopers.

The NICS check is full of flaws and denies citizens their right and delays others. Police and others with security clearance get delayed or rejected. I spoke to a solider who was on active duty that had been placed on delay and was sitting around for over 2 hours waiting for the FBI to clear the purchase at the CMP North store. I hear time and time again about people with common names getting denied unless they provide their SS number.
The Second Amendment is CLEAR and reads shall not be infringed. I do not need the government rationing my rights! I did not have to stay in a Holiday Inn to understand my right!!!

[GBMaryland]

MH53GUNNER:

You're correct... MARYLAND is abusing the situtation. ...and the facts you present are correct as well.

Hell, the Trooper in charge of the Licensing Division and I don't get along: I got a State Senator to go have a word with him on an issue! [Simply, I was told they don't write letters recanting false information, and, to his suprise, they do now.]

Too add to your post: If you are selling a regulated firearm between two people, and you go to the MSP barracks, the firearm can and will be transfered in 7 days. You then have to go back when the licensing division gets the NCIS check to the barracks. If the person turns out to be a criminal, then the MSP will send the Firearms Retrieval Unit to go get it and return it to the original owner.

It's only dealer purchases that are at issue, and I agree, it's annoying.

However, what do you do when your screwed up State politicians scare everyone into buying firearms? You thank the Lord because now you've got a lot of PO'
ed people buying firearms and paying attention! At least 40% of whom are first time buyers... this has a silver lining for sure! The MSP only have so many people, and the Licensing MSP folks are really on our side, even if they are not speaking out.

Rights are Rights. You are correct. The issue at play is, does a reasonable delay in purchase cause an issue when you are checking to see if the person is a violent criminal or mentally incompetent?

You don't have to like it, but even the NRA says that 70+% of the population says yes. [Certainly a suprise to me...]

I see this as I would a return on investment. If I can pay $50.00 to get 95% of efficentcy, but it costs me $10,000.00 to get 99.9%, then our resources are best spent on the 95% [minor gun laws with a basic background check] and then looking for other additional solutions [mandatory sentances].

In this case, the laws in Maryland AS THEY ARE, are good enough IMO. (Except for the handgun roster, which is a load of crap, as is the "assault weapons" list.)

Today, Maryland treats long guns as cash and carry. They treat handguns and "assault weapons" on a list the same as handguns, and handguns are treated with a little more care and a background check to see if anyone is reporting you as a felon or mentally ill individual.

That's reasonable in general. ...and I'm hear to tell you it works. How do I know? I was misreported as a felon by the commie State of New Jersey, and Maryland caught it. <Insert two years of my life trying to get that crap cleaned up, but Maryland gave me my firearm IMMEADIATELY when I faxed over the court documents showing that I had not be convicted of a Petty Disorderly Persons Offense [think speeding ticket].>

Now, are our politicans a bunch of total loosers... oh yeah. Do they have any idea what they are doing? Except for the ones actively consipring to pull a gun grab, no; most politicians are so inept when it comes to knowing firearms that they are sheep being lead by Brain Frosh.

I opposed ANY additional laws, and with the exception of a basic background check, anything else.

The assault weapon stuff a BS, as is the Handgun Roster, and I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is: My wife an I are setting aside $500,000.00 to oppose Frosh and King in the next elections. What are you going to do?

[timshufflin]

Clearly you have a stronger opinion that I do. NCIS is an agregated database the various State Police send information into. The fact that it prevents Fellons from aquiring firearms through dealers is useful. It's not flawless, it doesn't handle purchases not through a dealer... but what else would you propose?

I propose nothing.

1. If you are a felon you are supposed to be in jail.
2. If you are out of jail then we as a people have decided you are safe.
3. The Constitution does nothing to say that a former felon cannot have firearms.
4. Even if those of us who like to infringe on the Constitution think a check system will work, it does not. Felons do not use the system.

Look where we've gone in this country. There was a time that nobody would ever dare want social security, obama care, a nics check, medicare, BB guns to be illegal in many city's. Now that the pussy's among us have made some inroads with these sick intrusions, people think it's normal to take and to be stripped of freedom. I have not forgotten what it was like to be a bit more free.

In summary, if people don't like former felons to have guns the founders made it quite a straight forward process. You simply amend the Constitution. You do not cheat, you do not change the meaning of words, you follow the law and fix the Constitution legally. Oh, here's a brain fart, if we don't trust former felons with guns, hows about keeping them locked up?

Come on man, how did our country ever carry on without a law for every single sissy, no good pussy, afraid of its shadow half wit, brow beaten candy azz who had to feel "safe" and didn't care who's rights they stole to do it?

[GBMaryland]

You point is valid, and, all things considered, I'd rather have it your way.

When I was growing up you treated others with respect, and you didn't get into someone elses business.

Now we've got jerks who are scared because they don't know the first thing about firearms, and, as such, want to make sure everyone else doesn't have them either.

I don't disagree with you about the Constitution, but my concern at this point deals with what happens when the "pussies" try to ban firearms? That would bug the shit out of me... and I can see the loosers trying it.

Anyway, I can foresee donating whatever we can afford to the SAF and NRA this year to nuke the crap out of New York.

[Shug]

Don't forget about the law requiring providing a fired casing to the State Police for every new sidearms sold in the state. IIRC Superintendent of the State Police testified that the casings have never been used to solve a crime (the legislature never provided money to actually create a database, apparently). But when an attempt to amend the Senate version of the AWB bill to eliminate the requirement was proffered, the Committee Chair (Frosh) shot it down immediately. Apparently he now runs unopposed in his own district (primary and general election), and due to seniority, he has been able to remain chair of his committee, which is the one that handles most firearms-related bills. His constituents couldn't vote him out if they wanted to.


[QUOTE=GBMaryland;35077]MH53GUNNER:

In this case, the laws in Maryland AS THEY ARE, are good enough IMO. (Except for the handgun roster, which is a load of crap, as is the "assault weapons" list.)

[GBMaryland]

Ok, you got me... that whole fired case thing is bullshit too. (Forgot about that... clearly an attempt to make it a PITA to get a make of firearm in the State, but there is away around it...)

[GBMaryland]

Oh yeah, my plan for Frosh is to find a moderate democrat to run against him... it's the only shot we have. The only other possibility is to have him run for AG, where he is not a sure win... and then we can fight using the entire State. His ego is big enough that he may do it...