BAR Mag-Fed Mini G?

[HerkyBird]

Tim,

Is it possible?

[timshufflin]

Yes, but no.

[HerkyBird]

As in...It is possible, but you won't / don't do it?

Is it something that is just more trouble than its worth?

[timshufflin]

As in...It is possible, but you won't / don't do it?

Is it something that is just more trouble than its worth?

Correct on all points.

[centurion20000]

Apologies for resurrecting a dead thread but in the interests of science, have you ever considered reviewing these magazines for possible BAR implementations?
It would appear that Ohio Ordnance Works is now manufacturing new model THIRTY round B.A.R. magazines.

http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/1918a3-30rd-magazine-new.html

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If one were sent to you ... say with a Garand that was undergoing a Mini-G conversion, would you be willing to take a look at the possibilities?

In the interests of science of course. :)

[timshufflin]

Sure I'd look at it, so long as you didn't expect the magazine back. In science, creatures are dissected.

[centurion20000]

Well I just remember you mentioned one of the barriers to doing the BAR mod was the fact that once you get a BAR mag broken in for use with your BAR garand that it falls apart after 5-6 reloads. If say these guys made a BAR mag that could withstand dozens or hundreds of reloads then perhaps that perhaps that idea may become a viable proposition.

[timshufflin]

Well I just remember you mentioned one of the barriers to doing the BAR mod was the fact that once you get a BAR mag broken in for use with your BAR garand that it falls apart after 5-6 reloads. If say these guys made a BAR mag that could withstand dozens or hundreds of reloads then perhaps that perhaps that idea may become a viable proposition.


All that is true but dissection and experimentation leaves nothing left but scrap.

[Old Guard]

WHY, The Garand i remember with an Bar mag, looked like it was nearly cut in half, i would be afraid of stress cracks.Besides the Italians took out all the guess work, and Tim has the m-14 mag down to a science, from the work I'v seen posted here..

[centurion20000]

Why? A few reasons actually ...

1) It was a planned development to give the WWII infantryman more firepower (T20 rifle)
2) 30 rounds is way better than 8 in a clip. (Personal preference)
3) During the Great Ammo Famine of 2013 all the 308 was GONE and when you could find it it was $1.50 / round.
4) Also during the great ammo famine of 2013 guess what I saw on every shelf in Wal-Mart? 30-06
5) 30-06 handles the heavy bullets where the 308 just can't. (215 grain +)
6) Being magazine instead of enbloc fed (en blocs restrict the larger -06 variants further), it opens up the possibility of say something like .... a 35 Whelen BAR mag fed Garand .. or say 9.3X62 / 338-06 Garands if you wanted to get exotic. (20 or 30 rounds of 35 Whelen? Who WOULDN'T want that ??)

I guess I'm just debating academically at this point. But I bet it would sell well.
Anyway, seems like Tim offered a strong hint so I'll take it. :)

[timshufflin]

Why? A few reasons actually ...

1) It was a planned development to give the WWII infantryman more firepower (T20 rifle)
2) 30 rounds is way better than 8 in a clip. (Personal preference)
3) During the Great Ammo Famine of 2013 all the 308 was GONE and when you could find it it was $1.50 / round.
4) Also during the great ammo famine of 2013 guess what I saw on every shelf in Wal-Mart? 30-06
5) 30-06 handles the heavy bullets where the 308 just can't. (215 grain +)

I guess I'm just debating academically at this point. But I bet it would sell well.
Anyway, seems like Tim offered a strong hint so I'll take it. :)

1. Couldn't agree more and I'm of the mindset that makes me do things because I can anyways.
2. You can do that in .308 as well.
3. True that.
4. True that again.
5. Again, true that.
It would sell well, I get this call every single month. I just don't see it happening though because of the almighty dollar. The mag you show will take at least $125 in modification time, for that one mag. Then you have the machine work on the receiver, lack of a bolt stop system, lack of any fabricated parts at all including mag catches. $2000 for a mag conversion anyone? I have no idea what it would cost but it would make $1200 to $1500 look like childs play.

[Old Guard]

Why? A few reasons actually ...

1) It was a planned development to give the WWII infantryman more firepower (T20 rifle)
2) 30 rounds is way better than 8 in a clip. (Personal preference)
3) During the Great Ammo Famine of 2013 all the 308 was GONE and when you could find it it was $1.50 / round.
4) Also during the great ammo famine of 2013 guess what I saw on every shelf in Wal-Mart? 30-06
5) 30-06 handles the heavy bullets where the 308 just can't. (215 grain +)
6) Being magazine instead of enbloc fed (en blocs restrict the larger -06 variants further), it opens up the possibility of say something like .... a 35 Whelen BAR mag fed Garand .. or say 9.3X62 / 338-06 Garands if you wanted to get exotic. (20 or 30 rounds of 35 Whelen? Who WOULDN'T want that ??)

I guess I'm just debating academically at this point. But I bet it would sell well.
Anyway, seems like Tim offered a strong hint so I'll take it. :)
My Why was nothing to do with the .308w and 30.06 debate..I own them both, ammo is about the same, they both shoot alike and recoil is less on the >308.. My Why was about the Bar mag mod.....Either you cut the mag down or cut the rifle in half..Nuff said..

[HerkyBird]

1. Couldn't agree more and I'm of the mindset that makes me do things because I can anyways.
2. You can do that in .308 as well.
3. True that.
4. True that again.
5. Again, true that.
It would sell well, I get this call every single month. I just don't see it happening though because of the almighty dollar. The mag you show will take at least $125 in modification time, for that one mag. Then you have the machine work on the receiver, lack of a bolt stop system, lack of any fabricated parts at all including mag catches. $2000 for a mag conversion anyone? I have no idea what it would cost but it would make $1200 to $1500 look like childs play.

Why you gotta crush my dreams with "reality," Tim. Geez. What a buzzkill.