timshufflin
01-28-2014, 11:12 AM
May it rot in hell
pete seeger dead at 94, sadly I really liked its music but listened to it with a different ear.
Peter "Pete" Seeger (May 3, 1919 – January 27, 2014) was an American folk singer. A fixture on nationwide radio in the 1940s, he also had a string of hit records during the early 1950s as a member of the Weavers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Weavers), most notably their recording of Lead Belly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_Belly)'s "Goodnight, Irene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodnight,_Irene)", which topped the charts for 13 weeks in 1950.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-1) Members of the Weavers were blacklisted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklist) during the McCarthy Era (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism). In the 1960s, he re-emerged on the public scene as a prominent singer of protest music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_song) in support of international disarmament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_disarmament),civil rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_rights), counterculture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterculture_of_the_1960s) and environmental causes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmentalism).
As a songwriter, he was the author or co-author of "Where Have All the Flowers Gone? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_Have_All_the_Flowers_Gone%3F)" (with Joe Hickerson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Hickerson)), "If I Had a Hammer (The Hammer Song) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_I_Had_a_Hammer)" (composed with Lee Hays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Hays) of the Weavers), and "Turn, Turn, Turn! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn!_Turn!_Turn!_(song))", which have been recorded by many artists both in and outside the folk revival movement and are still sung throughout the world. "Flowers" was a hit recording for the Kingston Trio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kingston_Trio)(1962); Marlene Dietrich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlene_Dietrich), who recorded it in English, German and French (1962); and Johnny Rivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Rivers) (1965). "If I Had a Hammer" was a hit for Peter, Paul & Mary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter,_Paul_%26_Mary) (1962) and Trini Lopez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trini_Lopez) (1963), while the Byrds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Byrds) popularized "Turn, Turn, Turn!" in the mid-1960s, as didJudy Collins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Collins) in 1964 and the Seekers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seekers) in 1966.
In 1936, at the age of 17, Pete Seeger joined the Young Communist League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Communist_League,_USA) (YCL), then at the height of its popularity and influence. In 1942 he became a member of the Communist Party USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA) (CPUSA) itself. He eventually "drifted away" (his words) from the Party in the late 1940s and 1950s.[57] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-57)
In 1982 Seeger performed at a benefit concert for Poland's Solidarity resistance movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_31,_1982_demonstrations_in_Poland). His biographer David Dunaway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_King_Dunaway) considers this the first public manifestation of Seeger's decades-long personal dislike of communism in its Soviet form.[89] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-dunawayp103-89) In the late 1980s Seeger also expressed disapproval of violent revolutions, remarking to an interviewer that he was really in favor of incremental change and that "the most lasting revolutions are those that take place over a period of time."[89] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-dunawayp103-89) In his autobiography Where Have All the Flowers Gone(1993 and 1997 reissued in 2009), Seeger wrote, "Should I apologize for all this? I think so." He went on to put his thinking in context:
How could Hitler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler) have been stopped? Litvinov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_Litvinov), the Soviet delegate to the League of Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Nations) in '36, proposed a worldwide quarantine but got no takers. For more on those times check out pacifist Dave Dellinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Dellinger)'s book, From Yale to Jail ...[90] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-90) At any rate, today I'll apologize for a number of things, such as thinking that Stalin was merely a "hard driver" and not a "supremely cruel misleader." I guess anyone who calls himself a Christian should be prepared to apologize for the Inquisition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition), the burning of heretics by Protestants, the slaughter of Jews and Muslims by Crusaders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades). White people in the U.S.A. ought to apologize for stealing land from Native Americans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal) and enslaving blacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States). Europeans could apologize for worldwide conquests, Mongolians for Genghis Khan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan). And supporters of Roosevelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt) could apologize for his support of Somoza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somoza_family), of Southern White Democrats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat), of Franco Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francoist_Spain), for putting Japanese Americans in concentration camps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment). Who should my granddaughter Moraya apologize to? She's part African, part European, part Chinese, part Japanese, part Native American. Let's look ahead.[91] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-91)[92] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-nyt1-92)
In a 1995 interview, however, he insisted that "I still call myself a communist, because communism is no more what Russia made of it than Christianity is what the churches make of it."[93] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-The_Old_Left-93) In recent years, as the aging Seeger began to garner awards and recognition for his lifelong activism, he also found himself criticized once again for his opinions and associations of the 1930s and 1940s. In 2006, David Boaz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Boaz)—Voice of America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_America) and NPR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR) commentator and president of the libertarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism) Cato Institute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_Institute)—wrote an opinion piece in The Guardian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian), entitled "Stalin's Songbird" in which he excoriated The New Yorker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Yorker) and The New York Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times) for lauding Seeger. He characterized Seeger as "someone with a longtime habit of following the party line" who had only "eventually" parted ways with the CPUSA. In support of this view, he quoted lines from the Almanac Singers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almanac_Singers)' May 1941 Songs for John Doe, contrasting them darkly with lines supporting the war from Dear Mr. President, issued in 1942, after the United States and the Soviet Union had entered the war.[94] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-94)[95] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-95)
In 2007, in response to criticism from a former banjo student—historian Ron Radosh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Radosh), a former Trotskyite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyite) who now writes for the conservative National Review (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review)—Seeger wrote a song condemning Stalin, "Big Joe Blues":[96] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-96) "I'm singing about old Joe, cruel Joe. / He ruled with an iron hand. /He put an end to the dreams / Of so many in every land. / He had a chance to make / A brand new start for the human race. / Instead he set it back / Right in the same nasty place. / I got the Big Joe Blues. / Keep your mouth shut or you will die fast. / I got the Big Joe Blues. / Do this job, no questions asked. / I got the Big Joe Blues."[97] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-97) The song was accompanied by a letter to Radosh, in which Seeger stated, "I think you’re right, I should have asked to see the gulags (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag) when I was in U.S.S.R [in 1965]."[92] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-nyt1-92)
pete seeger dead at 94, sadly I really liked its music but listened to it with a different ear.
Peter "Pete" Seeger (May 3, 1919 – January 27, 2014) was an American folk singer. A fixture on nationwide radio in the 1940s, he also had a string of hit records during the early 1950s as a member of the Weavers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Weavers), most notably their recording of Lead Belly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_Belly)'s "Goodnight, Irene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodnight,_Irene)", which topped the charts for 13 weeks in 1950.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-1) Members of the Weavers were blacklisted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklist) during the McCarthy Era (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism). In the 1960s, he re-emerged on the public scene as a prominent singer of protest music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_song) in support of international disarmament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_disarmament),civil rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_rights), counterculture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterculture_of_the_1960s) and environmental causes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmentalism).
As a songwriter, he was the author or co-author of "Where Have All the Flowers Gone? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_Have_All_the_Flowers_Gone%3F)" (with Joe Hickerson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Hickerson)), "If I Had a Hammer (The Hammer Song) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_I_Had_a_Hammer)" (composed with Lee Hays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Hays) of the Weavers), and "Turn, Turn, Turn! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn!_Turn!_Turn!_(song))", which have been recorded by many artists both in and outside the folk revival movement and are still sung throughout the world. "Flowers" was a hit recording for the Kingston Trio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kingston_Trio)(1962); Marlene Dietrich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlene_Dietrich), who recorded it in English, German and French (1962); and Johnny Rivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Rivers) (1965). "If I Had a Hammer" was a hit for Peter, Paul & Mary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter,_Paul_%26_Mary) (1962) and Trini Lopez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trini_Lopez) (1963), while the Byrds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Byrds) popularized "Turn, Turn, Turn!" in the mid-1960s, as didJudy Collins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Collins) in 1964 and the Seekers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seekers) in 1966.
In 1936, at the age of 17, Pete Seeger joined the Young Communist League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Communist_League,_USA) (YCL), then at the height of its popularity and influence. In 1942 he became a member of the Communist Party USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA) (CPUSA) itself. He eventually "drifted away" (his words) from the Party in the late 1940s and 1950s.[57] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-57)
In 1982 Seeger performed at a benefit concert for Poland's Solidarity resistance movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_31,_1982_demonstrations_in_Poland). His biographer David Dunaway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_King_Dunaway) considers this the first public manifestation of Seeger's decades-long personal dislike of communism in its Soviet form.[89] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-dunawayp103-89) In the late 1980s Seeger also expressed disapproval of violent revolutions, remarking to an interviewer that he was really in favor of incremental change and that "the most lasting revolutions are those that take place over a period of time."[89] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-dunawayp103-89) In his autobiography Where Have All the Flowers Gone(1993 and 1997 reissued in 2009), Seeger wrote, "Should I apologize for all this? I think so." He went on to put his thinking in context:
How could Hitler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler) have been stopped? Litvinov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_Litvinov), the Soviet delegate to the League of Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Nations) in '36, proposed a worldwide quarantine but got no takers. For more on those times check out pacifist Dave Dellinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Dellinger)'s book, From Yale to Jail ...[90] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-90) At any rate, today I'll apologize for a number of things, such as thinking that Stalin was merely a "hard driver" and not a "supremely cruel misleader." I guess anyone who calls himself a Christian should be prepared to apologize for the Inquisition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition), the burning of heretics by Protestants, the slaughter of Jews and Muslims by Crusaders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades). White people in the U.S.A. ought to apologize for stealing land from Native Americans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal) and enslaving blacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States). Europeans could apologize for worldwide conquests, Mongolians for Genghis Khan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan). And supporters of Roosevelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt) could apologize for his support of Somoza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somoza_family), of Southern White Democrats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat), of Franco Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francoist_Spain), for putting Japanese Americans in concentration camps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment). Who should my granddaughter Moraya apologize to? She's part African, part European, part Chinese, part Japanese, part Native American. Let's look ahead.[91] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-91)[92] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-nyt1-92)
In a 1995 interview, however, he insisted that "I still call myself a communist, because communism is no more what Russia made of it than Christianity is what the churches make of it."[93] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-The_Old_Left-93) In recent years, as the aging Seeger began to garner awards and recognition for his lifelong activism, he also found himself criticized once again for his opinions and associations of the 1930s and 1940s. In 2006, David Boaz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Boaz)—Voice of America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_America) and NPR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR) commentator and president of the libertarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism) Cato Institute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_Institute)—wrote an opinion piece in The Guardian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian), entitled "Stalin's Songbird" in which he excoriated The New Yorker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Yorker) and The New York Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times) for lauding Seeger. He characterized Seeger as "someone with a longtime habit of following the party line" who had only "eventually" parted ways with the CPUSA. In support of this view, he quoted lines from the Almanac Singers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almanac_Singers)' May 1941 Songs for John Doe, contrasting them darkly with lines supporting the war from Dear Mr. President, issued in 1942, after the United States and the Soviet Union had entered the war.[94] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-94)[95] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-95)
In 2007, in response to criticism from a former banjo student—historian Ron Radosh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Radosh), a former Trotskyite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyite) who now writes for the conservative National Review (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review)—Seeger wrote a song condemning Stalin, "Big Joe Blues":[96] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-96) "I'm singing about old Joe, cruel Joe. / He ruled with an iron hand. /He put an end to the dreams / Of so many in every land. / He had a chance to make / A brand new start for the human race. / Instead he set it back / Right in the same nasty place. / I got the Big Joe Blues. / Keep your mouth shut or you will die fast. / I got the Big Joe Blues. / Do this job, no questions asked. / I got the Big Joe Blues."[97] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-97) The song was accompanied by a letter to Radosh, in which Seeger stated, "I think you’re right, I should have asked to see the gulags (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag) when I was in U.S.S.R [in 1965]."[92] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger#cite_note-nyt1-92)