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timshufflin
06-09-2011, 09:39 AM
No big deal but first 20" Garand I've done. Now, the rifle would not run right to begin with. I would get misfeeds starting at round 3 on. The rounds would poke up at the sky about noon on the chamber face. I would look in the mag well and see rounds back, forward, every time I fired the rifle.

What did I do to fix this?

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Punch The Clown
06-09-2011, 11:25 AM
I know what you did. First you denied that it ever happened. Then you said that maybe it happened, but you couldn't say with "certaintude". Then you admitted that it happened and begged the customer for forgiveness.
Punch The Clown
06-09-2011, 11:30 AM
you didn't specify the caliber!
timshufflin
06-09-2011, 03:34 PM
Ah Stuey, it's .308/7.62 Nato.
jak
06-09-2011, 04:32 PM
Were you using a magazine for 30-06 instead of 308 ?
Punch The Clown
06-09-2011, 05:12 PM
Were you using a magazine for 30-06 instead of 308 ?

Not mag fed-regular en-bloc.
jak
06-09-2011, 06:03 PM
Not mag fed-regular en-bloc.

Thanks, When Tim mentioned mag well, I thought the rifle was one of his magazine experiments.
jjones
06-09-2011, 07:40 PM
Was the op rod spring cut when the barrel was shortened?
Big Ben
06-09-2011, 07:41 PM
I don't know, buy I have the same bench legs.
timshufflin
06-09-2011, 07:58 PM
Not mag fed-regular en-bloc.


Exactly.....
timshufflin
06-09-2011, 07:59 PM
Was the op rod spring cut when the barrel was shortened?


Yes sir, 15".
mixmaster
06-09-2011, 10:31 PM
Just guessing here but sounds like you might open the gas port. I hate to guess, I need the rifle in my hands when I trouble shoot.
timshufflin
06-09-2011, 10:34 PM
Just guessing here but sounds like you might open the gas port. I hate to guess, I need the rifle in my hands when I trouble shoot.


Plenty of gas mixmaster, in fact I had to tone the gas down a bit with the Schuster.
BRUTUS
06-09-2011, 10:37 PM
follower arm?
mixmaster
06-09-2011, 10:54 PM
Well it was just a guess. I need the gun in my hands and I have so many items I check it is hard to do long distance, You frustrate the heck out of me when you present a case like this!
Mix
timshufflin
06-09-2011, 10:57 PM
Follower arm good to go and standard length. I got nothing against guessing mixmaster, it's what I have to do plenty of times. By the way, this problem has reared its ugly head with .308 Garands in the past. The fix for this problem is not acknowledged by many folks.
jak
06-09-2011, 11:03 PM
The 7.62 nato round is approx .590" shorter than a 30-06. Does anything else have to be done in the barrel/receiver area to accommodate the shorter round ?
mixmaster
06-09-2011, 11:09 PM
Did you use the spacer to keep .06 from being loaded. This would limit the movement of the cartridge from rocking back and forth. Still frustrated! But thanks for the condolences. And you are right some times a guess is all we have to work with.
Mix
dogboysdad
06-09-2011, 11:13 PM
You added the spacer block after you beat it on the shop table?
timshufflin
06-09-2011, 11:22 PM
Ding DONG! The spacer block is the answer boys. On SOME Garands the rounds are jostled in the box well and this causes feeding problems. I put a steel spacer block, should be called a .308 bullet guide, into the rifle and instant happiness. I have seen this issue on both standard Garands and the shorties. I really can't identify why some get feeding problems from the rounds moving and some do not. I do know that the military does not come up with a "spacer block" just because they don't want the wrong ammo attempting to be fed. This is especially true when you can't fit a 30/06 into a .308 chamber.
mixmaster
06-09-2011, 11:26 PM
OK Timmy. What made it difficult was it was so simple! I had to go thru all kinds of mental gymnastics to come up with that idea. And then KISS kicked in! Good one
Mix
jak
06-09-2011, 11:35 PM
Since I know nothing about a 308 garand. What does this spacer block look like and where does it get installed ?
timshufflin
06-09-2011, 11:39 PM
The .308 bullet guide, I hate the name spacer block, has a loading ramp in the front of it and fits directly under and behind the standard Garand bullet guided. It simply takes up the space that the .308 round gains by being shorter. If you have a .308 Garand, fire the thing and then look down in your enbloc between shots. You'll see that you have rounds all over the place. They will be staggered with some staying put and some going all the way forward to the Garands bullet guide. When you use the .308 bullet guide, this fixes the problem.
jak
06-10-2011, 08:00 AM
The .308 bullet guide, I hate the name spacer block, has a loading ramp in the front of it and fits directly under and behind the standard Garand bullet guided. It simply takes up the space that the .308 round gains by being shorter. If you have a .308 Garand, fire the thing and then look down in your enbloc between shots. You'll see that you have rounds all over the place. They will be staggered with some staying put and some going all the way forward to the Garands bullet guide. When you use the .308 bullet guide, this fixes the problem.


Thank you Sir