To All Canadian Members

[ZBeast]

We have one particular dealer here in Canada who with the help of a German based gunsmith, has ruined Garand parts and is selling dangerous rifles to the public. He has been notified of the hazardous conditions and yet still advertises them for sale.

Check out this thread first for a laugh, then it spirals into criminal endangerment. If you know of anyone who may have purchased one of these rifles tell them to check it over thoroughly or send it back for a refund.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1431884-T2-Garand-Part-1

Consider this a public safety issue and pass it on to any and all firearm forums before someone gets killed or worse.

[durandal]

Put together in germany using danish receivers, commercial barrels, sold in Canada for $1600+. There are complaints of improperly indexed barrels, welded & ground bolt lugs, etc.

Distributor advertisement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGPQxyYt-uo

The returned, defective rifles are currently being resold to unsuspecting customers: https://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/product.jsp?productid=92832

Assembled by: http://www.hauck-waffenbau.net/galerie-werkstattarbeiten/

German Import Mark:
https://www.marstar.ca/product_images/rifleimages/Military/T2%20Garand/T2GAR-308-M1.jpg


Here's an extract from one post, it's telling:
"
…these are not Tipo 2 rifles. … there are certainly Tipo 2 modified components (i.e. op rod, stocks) … civilian produced barrels… receivers are Danish contract rifles. ….

With regards to the barrel. Zero government markings (only civil CIL N laser engraved proofing) and highly questionable geometry and manufacturing quality. In this example, the barrel was under-indexed and incorrectly finished reamed on a lathe, resulting in an off –axis, and heavily scored (on one side of the chamber) chamber. … The barrel threads are cut not in line with bore axis resulting in a barrel, that when matted to the receiver, has a .050” gap along the top where it doesn’t even touch the receiver. The barrel has a definite droop that is visible to the naked eye. I suspect the barrels were finish reamed as a group to save time during assembly. I also suspect they finished them before realizing they were all over-headspaced.

The bolt was modified in order to try to compensate for the over headspace condition created by incorrect chamber finishing. By welding the rear face of each lug and grinding the front face of each, the assembler attempted to move the enire bolt forward in the action in order to bring it back into spec. this explains why some bolts have also been ground around the forward area (in order to fit inside of the chamber ring). A standard, unmodified bolt would show excessive and dangerous over-headspace, however welded and modified lugs could potentially be a grenade. On the example inspected, the RH lug was also not ground in a matting angle to the receiver. It was rounded leading to a condition whereby it would have at best, 15-20 locking surface. BTW, anything below 80% was considered to be a reject by USGI standards. The new locking face is of an unknown hardness and the steel is discoloured (extreme heat from welding) in the forward area immediately adjacent to the lugs. The extractor is similarly discoloured indicating it was left in the bolt when it was welded and ground. This annealing also weakens the bolt lugs and could, over a relatively few amount of rounds, allow the headspace to expand as the lugs are peened from recoil (that is if they don’t shear off beforehand)."



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[ZBeast]

We have a few dedicated Garand builders up here but Tim has them beat hands down. Appreciate what resources you have with Shuffs.

[FluffyTheCat]

The receiver in the picture appears to bear the Cologne proof house marking.

I bet the marking is a forgery. There is no way that a German proof house would ever allow such a messed up gun to pass their inspection.

[ordmm]

Innovative way to avoid using a chamber reamer????---grind the lugs to get headspace. As it usually works out, and go ahead and call me cynical as my bet is some of this crap will make it's way South, but would imagine we'll see a post on some U.S. site asking about weird barrel marking, or wondering about 'excessive' bolt lapping---if so replies will be priceless. And, the barrel to receiver gap.....lesson there is to make sure the 'builder' even has invested in machine tools....like a LATHE and MILLING MACHINE at the very least. Another reason to send work to Shuff's. As of late....the word is Tim is referred to the "king of carbide" by some tooling suppliers near the kingdom of Jerome.

[Punch The Clown]

Looks just like an armscorp m14 receiver job.

[Jimbo Slice]

I signed up at CGN so I could read the whole thread, and I must say... what a fiasco.

You folks handled it very well though so kudos to your community. I hope everyone that got burned gets reimbursement from the seller.