trump SUCKS and I want my vote back!

[timshufflin]

Anyone just watch trump (liberal, progressive, democrat in republican clothes) have its big round table on gun control with feinstein sitting to its left? I counted no less then 5 infringements on the 2nd Amendment that trump endorsed. I am sincerely sorry that I voted for it. I will never vote for it again. I was suckered into believing that it would be a Man when it mattered.
-It wants you to have a national buyers card to purchase a firearm face to face in your State.
-It wants all firearms tracked.
-If you are accused of domestic violence it wants your guns taken first then your trial, due process later.
-It wants you to be 21 to buy ANY firearm (If they can raise it to 21 then they can raise it to ANY arbitrary number).
-It empathized with feinstein on a "weapons of war" ban. It then told feinstein to bring that up in committee.
-It says it will ban ALL bump stocks and that congress not even worry itself about putting that in the bill because it has that covered.
If this was oboombyaa sitting there like king, we'd all be puking. It's not though, it's a "republican" so I guess we just sell our freedoms cheaply. By the way, trump as much said just that!

[timshufflin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JitAzzhosU


Here, spend an hour with a whole bunch of alcohol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JitAzzhosU

[toolman]

I'm a little sadden also. But here in Indiana if you get a restraining order on you. You cant have any weapons at your home or on yourself already. The bump stock issue pushes the limit IMHO. I can live my whole life without them. But I don't like spending money on spraying ammo anyways. My biggest concern is the age limit being raised . But that is East coast thinking. The day after my 18th birthday I bought a Ruger 10/22. One of happiest days.



Side Note: I think OLE Trumpy is getting just a little to big for his britches!!!!!

[timshufflin]

I'm a little sadden also. But here in Indiana if you get a restraining order on you. You cant have any weapons at your home or on yourself already. The bump stock issue pushes the limit IMHO. I can live my whole life without them. But I don't like spending money on spraying ammo anyways. My biggest concern is the age limit being raised . But that is East coast thinking. The day after my 18th birthday I bought a Ruger 10/22. One of happiest days.



Side Note: I think OLE Trumpy is getting just a little to big for his britches!!!!!

Brother toolman, on what planet is telling a free MAN or WOMAN that you have to be older then the age required to legally sign a contract not an infringement? If the age can be raised to 21, why not 25, 30, 50,...

Even more, the biggest murder took place in vegas by a POS over 60! Why aren't 60 year old being talked about for a ban? What in the hell is going on this country?

I know most of us here do not give two craps about bump stocks. I ask that you start caring. What if the bump stock guy, the shotgun guy, the bow guy, the muzzle loader guy, all sit on their hands when it's your firearm on the chopping block?

One thing I know for absolute certainty, your firearm WILL be on the chopping block. You cannot give one single inch. There is NO negotiation. That entire silly meeting there was not one mention of the US Constitution because they just don't give a crap.

Infringement-






Definition of infringe

infringed; infringingtransitive verb
: to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another

[canes7]

Imagine the death of 1000 cuts. Once the big box stores a brought to submission and stop selling guns then how hard will it be to put the little guys out of business. Banks already are on the attack and not handling business form firearm related companies. They’ll never be happy, it’s always be more, more and more....

[toolman]

Maybe I wrote it wrong or you misunderstood!! I think raising the age IS TOTAL crap!!! But why 18? Why cant it be 16?! I have been self employed now for almost 18 years! I feel sorry for the family or families who will be ran out of business because a president can do a executive order!!! Not far from ME is a young company who designed the echo trigger for Ar15's ? THEY WILL BE NEXT !!

[toolman]

BUT WE ALL HAVE TO ADMIT!!! bump stocks push the limit!! But IMHO it is ATF's call. And they have ruled on it. So Mr. President keep your NOSE out of it!

[toolman]

Imagine the death of 1000 cuts. Once the big box stores a brought to submission and stop selling guns then how hard will it be to put the little guys out of business. Banks already are on the attack and not handling business form firearm related companies. They’ll never be happy, it’s always be more, more and more....

Maybe because I have always tried to buy from the small guy. I bet I haven't bought 2 firearms in 30 years from a store that had more than 2 employee's!

[timshufflin]

1000 cuts is a truism. I'm still trying to figure out how our Grandparents rolled on full auto.

[Punch The Clown]

trump just decided that we will ignore the 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, 5th Amendment, 14th Amendment, and I'm sure there are a couple more. This Cheeto-head piece of shit has to go. We would have been better under clinton.

[toolman]

Really punch??? Under Clinton???

[canes7]

1000 cuts is a truism. I'm still trying to figure out how our Grandparents rolled on full auto.

Gang violence from Chicago spilling out of that shithole to many other parts of the country during the ‘30’s. The AR is the Tommy Gun of today.

[toolman]

Who was President that signed 1986 The Firearms Owners Protection Act that took away auto weapons? Who was the President who sent a personal letter in 1991 ? To two congressmen asking them to Vote for the 1994 assault weapons BAN. By the way the ban only passed by 2 votes 216-214. What president thought we should have a 7 day waiting period on ANY handgun sale? What President sent a personal letter to be read at the 1994 congress before the assault weapons ban became LAW? (Ronald Reagan) .. But we conservatives think he was a god!!! Who was the first governor to make abortion legal ANYWHERE in the United states. His nickname was Rawhide!! So Trump is a piece of CRAP now. Well then Friends RONALD REAGAN is far worse!!!



But I do agree with Shuff, We live in world NOW where LIBERAL turds aren't the same as in the 80's .. If they start banning this or that!! Will they ever stop!!! The answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[Punch The Clown]

Really punch??? Under Clinton???

Yup. The Republicans would have blocked it at every turn. Under cheeto-head I'll bet we lose the midterms. So we'll have a new york liberal President and a democratic Congress. Just a prediction.

[cuppednlocked]

I am officially pissed off. There had better be a rabbit coming out of the damn hat.

[timshufflin]

Who was President that signed 1986 The Firearms Owners Protection Act that took away auto weapons? Who was the President who sent a personal letter in 1991 ? To two congressmen asking them to Vote for the 1994 assault weapons BAN. By the way the ban only passed by 2 votes 216-214. What president thought we should have a 7 day waiting period on ANY handgun sale? What President sent a personal letter to be read at the 1994 congress before the assault weapons ban became LAW? (Ronald Reagan) .. But we conservatives think he was a god!!! Who was the first governor to make abortion legal ANYWHERE in the United states. His nickname was Rawhide!! So Trump is a piece of CRAP now. Well then Friends RONALD REAGAN is far worse!!!



But I do agree with Shuff, We live in world NOW where LIBERAL turds aren't the same as in the 80's .. If they start banning this or that!! Will they ever stop!!! The answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Yes Sir and this is a Truth. PunchtheClown and I often talk about this. If you get a "republican" in office and it gets a gun control bug up its arse you are doomed. The dems jump up and down in glee to put gun control before it and the "republicans" go along with it because hey, "if a republican wants gun control, it's no longer gun control." reagan has a lot in common with trump. Both reagan and trump came from libtard lala land. Neither truly had the 2nd Amendment in their mind as a "legitimate" part of the Constitution. I guess neither of them looked up the word "infringe" either.

If you ever listen to Mark Levin, he savages both of these guys for their failures on the 2nd Amendment.

[timshufflin]

BUT WE ALL HAVE TO ADMIT!!! bump stocks push the limit!! But IMHO it is ATF's call. And they have ruled on it. So Mr. President keep your NOSE out of it!

I do not have to admit it. If I cannot have a bump stock because it is an accessory then what else on a firearm can be called an accessory? Hmm, magazines come to mind. One word keeps coming back to me, INFRINGE. A full auto weapon is an ARM. If you say that I cannot have a firearm the way it was designed to be made, my rights have been infringed.

https://www.impactguns.com/magazine-accessories.aspx

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/productlist/ammo-shooting/gun-magazines-clips/gun-mags-clips-accessories?d=121&c=121&s=20

https://grabagun.com/magazines/magazine-accessories.html

https://www.ammoland.com/2015/03/top-five-ar-15-rifle-magazine-accessories/#axzz58Uc4NMPS

https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/f/handgun-accessories

[timshufflin]

As you all can see from my above post. We have many many gun companies calling magazines, accessories. How do most auto loaders and some bolt guns run without this "accessory"? This battle is already being waged in the assault weapons ban. They want those magazines limited in round count.

Here's a flow chart for a few things:

1. progressives call a magazine an accessory and so do many of our own vendors.
2. We allow the outlaw of a bump stock because it's an accessory and not an "arm".
3. If a magazine is an accessory and we say that bump stocks are as well, the slippery slope starts.
4. We can then limit the magazine accessory to the round count progressives want. This have been done in several states. This was also done under the assault weapons ban.
5. If you can limit the round count in a magazine to 10 rounds then why not 8? How about 5? How about 3? How about 1?
6. If you can limit the round count, why not just make the magazine illegal just like the bump stock so that we all get a single shot ruger or thompson?

Age limits

1. 18 years old is the age of majority to vote and sign a contract. An argument can be made that since this is true then 18 is age in which you can buy a firearm.
2. Our government makes law saying that 18 year old adults who can sign contracts, get married, vote, can now NOT buy a firearm until they are 21.
3. With that law we are now saying that the age of majority does not matter when it comes to buying a firearm.
4. If your being of the age of majority does not matter and the age was set at 21 today then why not 24 tomorrow? It's an arbitrary number. How about 27? How about 30?

Between Columbine and the Florida shooting there was exactly one mass shooter under 21. That shooter did not buy their firearm, he took it from their mother. This means that passing a 21 year old age limit would have THEORETICALLY stopped only the Florida shooter. Uhm, NO. All of us know that if that little punk couldn't have purchased that rifle it would have gotten it another way.

We are rolling over on this background check crap. We are allowing ourselves to have to jump through hoops, be tracked, be catalogued, just because someone else committed a crime.

Do we all see how nuts this crap is? Allowing a scenario where if someone else breaks the law then the rest of us will loose our rights? This is NUTS!

[toolman]

For your guys wife sake. I hope you all are this passionate in bed! Peace toolman

[Punch The Clown]

If this is the case are all debts accrued by someone before they are 21 forgiven? Are 20.9999 year olds tried as juveniles? I can do this all day.

[SSBiggun]

Yea , pretty much the Repubs have infringed more than the Dem's did. You cannot trust a politician when your liberties are at stake. A rogue businessman made it to POUS. His agenda is not the Repub agenda or the Dem agenda. he's a 1 term guy for sure. He doesn't represent my views at all. He is not "the Devil we know". Brace for impact is all we gun owners have left . Write you rep's and senators and let them know you dont stand behind constitutional infringement. I thought it was funny that everyone thought the Hearing protection act was a sure thing because of Trump. Sorry Tim for my rant. I'm not usually very inclusive on political threads but decided I would write my thoughts on this one.

[timshufflin]

For your guys wife sake. I hope you all are this passionate in bed! Peace toolman

Next time you see her, ask!

[Prince Humperdink]

I remember when I didn't vote for trumplestiltskin,because I'm a Libertarian..I was pretty much told that I hated America,well,I knew it was a democrap most of it's life!!

[Prince Humperdink]

"MAGA" really meant "Make America Gunless Already".

[ordmm]

The crap that's going on right now is far from over.

Link below to a LONG update on what's going on with Trump. DC. Gun legislation issues. Pretty interesting. NOTE---the comment about "bigger threats on state level". Keep in mind that your elected officials in the state you live in have great sway right now in Congress and the Senate. Dems like Shumer can blow gas all they want but without a majority he's screwed.

Let your Congress person and Senator know what YOU EXPECT. Read the article. http://www.subguns.com/boards/sword.cgi?read=2657450

[ordmm]

I remember when I didn't vote for trumplestiltskin,because I'm a Libertarian..I was pretty much told that I hated America,well,I knew it was a democrap most of it's life!!


Well doubt it would violate your, or those of any other persons political orientation to suggest you contribute some of your Libertarian green to the ILA, or use their site to easily message the politicians that represent you...... https://www.nraila.org/

[Prince Humperdink]

Well doubt it would violate your, or those of any other persons political orientation to suggest you contribute some of your Libertarian green to the ILA, or use their site to easily message the politicians that represent you...... https://www.nraila.org/

I just renewed my membership last week.I can't say I have any green,just copper,nickle,and zinc.I also write my reps about firearms issues.

ps,I try to give to GOA when I can.
https://gunowners.org/join.htm

[cuppednlocked]

I'll say this, the situation has polarized me to be more active in contacting my elected representatives.

[ordmm]

This latest anti-second Amendment push is not over yet, but looks like the NRA had a come-to-zeus meeting with the President and explained to Pres. Trump the error of his ways. Looks like the White House is walking things back quite a bit. Also looks like the majority of Republicans (still some back stabbing rinos) have little stomach for gun control.

Anyway......No doubt about it--the NRA is the major target of the Democrats.

NRA is going to need all the $UPPORT they can get. Give to the NRA ILA first, and then back it up with GOA and or local and state organizations that make it known to Local, State, and Federal Gov't that they are not to be screwing with the Constitution.

Easy way to send the message......https://www.nraila.org/

[Bob W]

10) Jane Fonda
9) Adam Gadahn
8) Aldrich Ames
7) Aaron Burr
6) Julius and Ethel Rosenberg
5) Robert Hanssen
4) Midal Hasan
3) John Walker Jr.
2) Benedict Arnold
1) Donald Trump

Oh...Forgot Marcus Julius Brutus- He is most similar to the current P.E.N.I.S. uh..... I mean P.O.T.U.S.

[Punch The Clown]

You'll get some disagreement on Aaron Burr.

[Bob W]

You'll get some disagreement on Aaron Burr.

Yeah, I know you New Yorkers stick together. Oh well, I'll take 90% approval, better than anyone else is doing in politics these days.

[Punch The Clown]

I was talking about him killing Hamilton. A couple of people around here consider him a hero for that one.

[Bob W]

I know Stu- I had a history prof who LOVED that guy, but she was French, so I probably didn't give her the inherent credibility she deserved. I'm not crazy about Hamilton either, among many other things he started the tax on whiskey. And I think most of Burr's problems were Wilkinson's.

[musketjon]

trump just decided that we will ignore the 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, 5th Amendment, 14th Amendment, and I'm sure there are a couple more. This Cheeto-head piece of shit has to go. We would have been better under clinton.
Stu,
If you really believe that it's time to turn in your man card and surrender ALL of your firearms.
Jon

[Punch The Clown]

Jon, this new york libtard has no concept of the Constitution and will sell us out in a heartbeat. #$%^ schumer was playing him like a fiddle stroking his ego telling him that it takes a tough President like him to get gun control passed.

[deputy85]

I'm hoping against hope that maybe he's just throwing them stuff that he knows will never pass just to appear to be the good guy to the dens but I'm probably wrong and also anybody that can spread the word out there on some of the Facebook gun forums I've been spanked by Facebook I've got a 30-day time out I won't be back on till April 1st I heard an anti-gunners Feelings by calling him a unknowledgeable dipstick

[Punch The Clown]

Dep, I think you are giving him too much credit. He isn't that smart.

[timshufflin]

Dep, I think you are giving him too much credit. He isn't that smart.

No Punch, IT isn't that smart. I'll say it again though, no matter what you do not renounce the Bill of Rights the way it did no matter what the trickery.

[Punch The Clown]

No Punch, IT isn't that smart. I'll say it again though, no matter what you do not renounce the Bill of Rights the way it did no matter what the trickery.

Agreed!!!!

[ordmm]

Jon, this new york libtard has no concept of the Constitution and will sell us out in a heartbeat. #$%^ schumer was playing him like a fiddle stroking his ego telling him that it takes a tough President like him to get gun control passed.


Just to lend some credibility to your standard regarding the politicians who represent you---Just wondering, who represents you and your 2nd amendment rights on a federal, state, and municipal level. Just curious......

[Punch The Clown]

You know where I live and I have no one at any level safeguarding my rights. There should be a road sign "Now Entering New York-Please Check Your Rights At The Door"

[Euterpeundersail]

There is really no politician you can trust - ever. However, a vote for Trump in the long run is significantly more advantageous to the cause of freedom and the ideals of the Republic than staying at home and not voting. Would you have rather had Hillary? At some point we are going to have to do what they did in 1775 at Lexington and Concord. It has always been letting free men stay free. Unfortunately, it is not a question of IF but WHEN.