ssgtdt and fogtripper

[timshufflin]

Hey guys/guy since you're one in the same. I'm glad that you frequent here and find the site useful for your needs. fogtripper I don't review folks to get in the war room, have 5 posts and request to get in and you do. Come on over, again, and you'll be given access... again.

To all those that find the topic of CMP cronyism distasteful, well you're right, it is.

None of you would tolerate cronyism if your company were affected by a government entity. None of you would think much of it in your workplace either. MANY will tolerate it when someone else is affected, human nature I guess, I will not.

Battle Tested is not affiliated with the M1CC but Charlie Baker is a friend of mine. I will not sit idly by and see a friend done wrong by some common government bureaucrats ( the dumbest among us). Heck I won't see anyone done wrong by government but I'm sure not going to sit on my hands when a friend is affected.

I said this once before, to my own demise, what sort of person would put guns and money before friendship" That is the exact quote that got my screen name banned from the CMP.

[timshufflin]

fogtripper states that this forum should do something "productive for the hobby". This forum raised, I may be off by a rifle either way, 7 Complete garands and donated them to M1 for Vets. We wanted to send a representative to the presentation for a photo op so you could all see this but M1 for vets said no, not allowed. Oddly, it wasn't a month later and we saw the GCA photo op presenting the M1 for vets with a check, and if my memory is wrong someone please correct me, for $10,000. Oh well, I guess that's whey you didn't know about it tripper. If you need verification try finding a wounded veteran who was there that day or call jj O'shea.

Making sure you get the message fogtripper, I couldn't possibly care less that Battle Tested couldn't be recognized. I do care very much though that all these folks cannot be recognized and the gca must be recognized.

So foggy, what have you done lately? It would be hard to verify because you've hid behind that yellow belly screen name for years. You've called out folks for not being above board, you've asserted some as not holding to their convictions, you make all manner of judgment behind a screen names that insinuates you've been in a fog your entire life tripping out on methamphetamines. I'm guessing that you are employed in some large government bureaucracy somewhere, only explanation for you voting for oboombya twice. I do wish you luck with the HIV, that has to be a terrible burden. Phillipe still drops in from time to time looking for you.

[timshufflin]

ssgtdt/fogtripper, you want to meet me on a firing line? Heck, you have my address so come and meet me. Seems like a tall order from a chap who doesn't even use or ever give anyone their name though.

[timshufflin]

This following screen shot from the CMP is exactly why folks tolerate the CMP. The man is honest and says "we are lucky enough to have an agency that is willing to sell really cool genuine military firearms to us for ridiculously cheap prices, fix them if we are dissatisfied, and provide us with whatever we need to compete with these rifles."
2509

I would dare say many feel this way and that "feeling" is called being on the teat. There are many businesses, entrepreneurs, folks out there that would also like to give you your warm fuzzy feeling but they would do it at a profit and actually bid on the firearms thus paying the US taxpayer.

Congress didn't go that route, they went the socialist route, like all socialist programs you all are hooked on it. That's cool, you're only human. What's not cool is a socialist organization not allowing equal access to all tax payers.

[ordmm]

"Congress didn't go that route, they went the socialist route, like all socialist programs you all are hooked on it. That's cool, you're only human. What's not cool is a socialist organization not allowing equal access to all tax payers."

Most would argue that if it was not for the CMP then a whole lot of rifles would have been destroyed. I guess that is most probably true.

Back when the outcry went up about M1 Rifles being destroyed someone-someplace decided it was all a zero-gain political hot potato so decided to give the M1 unique status as far as disposal went. Other weapons are included but the list is a short one. So, the DCM went away and the franchise was awarded to what we now know as the CMP

As with everything involving the Gov't the Uncle Sugar side of things saw great opportunity. So, like most quasi governmental agencies*** the CMP provides great wages and benefits and a business model that really has no application in the real business world. Run into a bump in the road generally, periodically the rules can be changed to smooth things out.

When the organization started out one could say there was a whole bunch of oversight problems. Occasionally the scab gets ripped off that old wound and the shit hits the fan again. If a person was smart, years ago, and did not even have to be a CMP employee, you could exploit the CMP system well within the spirit of rules. It's possible a bit of a blind eye along with plausible denial was exercised at the CMP in order to keep the rabble quiet with occasional really good deals. No denying it...many, including me were riveted to the CMP website in the early hours of the morning waiting for new listings. Them days are long gone.

It also paid off to befriend a CMP insider, but for the most part nowadays that has become a normal way of life in business no matter what the enterprise. Hard to avoid.

So..........yeah, and in my opinion only, the CMP as of the last few years is pretty much in direct competition with many. Makes it tough on many. There is also a perception that if you bad mouth the CMP you will bring the wrath of one or more of the attached service groups mainly the GCA down on your ass.

So, if anyone cares, ---- my opinion is the CMP should take a bit of a look at some areas that they enter into as far as firearm services. Their purchasing power in regards to aftermarket parts truly rules the roost---good for them with the ability of massive buying power---bad for the small operations who are trying to compete and stay in business.

So, the above is all my opinion. Nothing new---it's all been said many times over the last 10 years or so---just wish the CMP would back off a bit from the empire building and long for the days before the M1 Garand rifle became a simple commodity product.


Greg
StandardParts LLC


***https://www.investopedia.com/terms/q/quasi_public_corporation.asp "

[timshufflin]

"Congress didn't go that route, they went the socialist route, like all socialist programs you all are hooked on it. That's cool, you're only human. What's not cool is a socialist organization not allowing equal access to all tax payers."

Most would argue that if it was not for the CMP then a whole lot of rifles would have been destroyed. I guess that is most probably true.

Back when the outcry went up about M1 Rifles being destroyed someone-someplace decided it was all a zero-gain political hot potato so decided to give the M1 unique status as far as disposal went. Other weapons are included but the list is a short one. So, the DCM went away and the franchise was awarded to what we now know as the CMP

As with everything involving the Gov't the Uncle Sugar side of things saw great opportunity. So, like most quasi governmental agencies*** the CMP provides great wages and benefits and a business model that really has no application in the real business world. Run into a bump in the road generally, periodically the rules can be changed to smooth things out.

When the organization started out one could say there was a whole bunch of oversight problems. Occasionally the scab gets ripped off that old wound and the shit hits the fan again. If a person was smart, years ago, and did not even have to be a CMP employee, you could exploit the CMP system well within the spirit of rules. It's possible a bit of a blind eye along with plausible denial was exercised at the CMP in order to keep the rabble quiet with occasional really good deals. No denying it...many, including me were riveted to the CMP website in the early hours of the morning waiting for new listings. Them days are long gone.

It also paid off to befriend a CMP insider, but for the most part nowadays that has become a normal way of life in business no matter what the enterprise. Hard to avoid.

So..........yeah, and in my opinion only, the CMP as of the last few years is pretty much in direct competition with many. Makes it tough on many. There is also a perception that if you bad mouth the CMP you will bring the wrath of one or more of the attached service groups mainly the GCA down on your ass.

So, if anyone cares, ---- my opinion is the CMP should take a bit of a look at some areas that they enter into as far as firearm services. Their purchasing power in regards to aftermarket parts truly rules the roost---good for them with the ability of massive buying power---bad for the small operations who are trying to compete and stay in business.

So, the above is all my opinion. Nothing new---it's all been said many times over the last 10 years or so---just wish the CMP would back off a bit from the empire building and long for the days before the M1 Garand rifle became a simple commodity product.


Greg
StandardParts LLC


***https://www.investopedia.com/terms/q/quasi_public_corporation.asp "

Sage observations from someone I consider to be a very wise man!

Now, can't the CMP just let the M1CC compete on equal footing with the gca? It really shouldn't be so much a request but something every tax payer should insist upon from any tax payer funded (in that the CMP gets its RIFLES at no cost. Yes I know they pay for shipping, fumigation, and storage and so does every single other company in this nation) quasi government organization.

Some day we should talk about the CMP and their not allowing or contributing to any 2nd Amendment speech on their forum. You can hardly support marksmanship if marksmanship is illegal.

[timshufflin]

What a great link Greg, nailed it on the head!

Quasi-Public Corporation<input type="submit" data-topic="Quasi-Public Corporation" data-subchannel="Markets & Economy" data-index="0" class="follow-topic form-submit" value="+ SUBSCRIBE" style="-webkit-appearance: none; border-radius: 0px; padding: 9px 27px; font-size: 15px; background-color: rgb(166, 36, 54); color: rgb(255, 255, 255); border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; cursor: pointer; margin-bottom: 10px;">https://i.investopedia.com/public/img/facebook-share-14.png SHARE

(https://www.facebook.com/dialog/share?app_id=371867692868423&display=popup&href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.investopedia.com%2Fterms%2Fq %2Fquasi_public_corporation.asp%3Futm_source%3Dfac ebook%26utm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_campaign%3Dshare urlbuttons&redirect_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.investopedia.com%2Fm isc%2Fcallback%2Ffacebook%2F)https://i.investopedia.com/public/img/twitter-tweet.png

(https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Quasi-Public+Corporation&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.investopedia.com%2Fterms%2Fq% 2Fquasi_public_corporation.asp%3Futm_source%3Dtwit ter%26utm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_campaign%3Dshareur lbuttons&via=investopedia)https://i.investopedia.com/public/img/linkedin-share.png

(https://www.linkedin.com/shareArticle?mini=true&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.investopedia.com%2Fterms%2Fq% 2Fquasi_public_corporation.asp%3Futm_source%3Dlink edin%26utm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_campaign%3Dshareu rlbuttons)



What is 'Quasi-Public Corporation'A quasi-public corporation is a type of corporation (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/corporation.asp) in the private sector (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/private-sector.asp) that is backed by a branch of government that has a public mandate to provide a given service. Most quasi-public corporations began as government agencies, but have since become separate entities. It is not uncommon to see the shares of this type of corporation trade on major stock exchanges, which allows individual investors to gain exposure to the company's profit.
Next Up

[*=center]CORPORATION (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/corporation.asp)
[*=center]PERSONAL SERVICE CORPORATION (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/personal-service-corporation.asp)
[*=center]CORPORATE GOVERNANCE (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/corporategovernance.asp)
[*=center]IRS PUBLICATION 542 (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/irs-pub-542.asp)
[*=center]




BREAKING DOWN 'Quasi-Public Corporation'A quasi-public corporation is actually a variation on the public-purpose corporation. Like the public-purpose corporation, the quasi-public corporation is created to benefit the public; however, a quasi-public purpose corporation is always operated privately, but the private owners usually have partial government funding or government-chartered mission.
While shares of this type of corporation are sold publicly, creating value and profit for shareholders is a secondary purpose to carrying out its public purpose. The operations of a quasi-public corporation must usually, in some way, contribute to the comfort, convenience or welfare of the general public. A few examples of quasi-public companies include telegraph and telephone companies, oil and gas, water, and electric light companies, and irrigation companies. Quasi-public corporations are often referred to as public service corporations.
Quasi-public corporations may comprise public companies of an industrial and commercial character, nationalized companies, and companies with majority public shareholding. Many consider quasi-public institutions to be political policy tools because they can, in certain cases, operate with fewer restrictions and greater cost effectiveness than normal public institutions.
For those public-private corporations that receive some type of government funding, such subsidies consist of regular fund transfers intended to compensate for persistent losses, i.e. negative operating surpluses, which they incur on their productive activities as a result of charging prices which are lower than their average costs of production as a matter of deliberate government economic and social policy; by convention, these subsidies are treated as subsidies on products.
Example of a Quasi-Public CorporationOne example of a quasi-public purpose corporation is Sallie Mae, which was founded to advance student loan development. Another example is the Federal National Mortgage Association (https://www.investopedia.com/mortgage/fannie-mae-loans/) (Fannie Mae), which is regarded as a quasi-public corporation because it operates as an independent corporation. This company operates under a congressional charter (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/charter.asp) that aims to increase the availability and affordability of homeownership, but it is not treated as any part of the government. Contrary to popular opinion, employees of quasi-public corporations do not work for the government.









Read more: Quasi-Public Corporation (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/q/quasi_public_corporation.asp#ixzz5FaoqzSK0) https://www.investopedia.com/terms/q/quasi_public_corporation.asp#ixzz5FaoqzSK0
Follow us: Investopedia on Facebook (https://ec.tynt.com/b/rf?id=arwjQmCEqr4l6Cadbi-bnq&u=Investopedia)

[ordmm]

Tim,,,,"your observation----Now, can't the CMP just let the M1CC compete on equal footing with the gca?"




Seems to be addressed by post on the CMP website really catches says it (in my opinion). A combination of exceptional political mindset, moderation and wisdom.

Read this post: "benefit to everyone" --- or....."compete on equal footing"

Post #54 http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?p=1718241#post1718241


Then on #57 it appears what I presume is someone speaking for the GCA takes a chainsaw to the peace offering.......

Ain't no dealing with these people it seems.

[Roadkingtrax]

A post on the CMP website really catches says it (in my opinion). A combination of exceptional political mindset, moderation and wisdom.

Read this post: "benefit to everyone"

Post #54 http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?p=1718241#post1718241

As were your thoughts above Sir. I just wish what you had written above could have been shared there.

Unfortunately the CMP thread you linked has been shutdown, but not before the threat of physical violence from the OP. No doubt, he's here in spirit. :)

I found it odd how you could post in response to one party, and the other would respond instead. Very odd indeed. Perhaps Fog forgot what log-in he was on when responding?

[ordmm]

Thanks.

Yeah, post 57 was quite the surprise and never saw that coming after your stellar post of common sense.

I don't do facebook or any other social media so I'm sure I missed most of the fight.

Same players tied to the CMP protecting their turf I guess.

[canes7]

How did this whole thing get stirred up again anyway? Like O said, who poked the bear? Did someone just forget what it was like to argue on the internet?

Anyway, I have to say I am super-duper surprised the carbine sales didn't get brought up too.

[Roadkingtrax]

I know this falls into his methodology, but just received word from Fogtripper. I was not asked to keep this private, so I am inclined to disclose on his behalf. (Emphasis Mine)



I found it odd how you could post in response to one party, and the other would respond instead. Very odd indeed. Perhaps Fog forgot what log-in he was on when responding?

Once again, this is my only account. Feel free to continue to spread lies like your tinfoil hat buddy Tim.

As far as the guy who posted the "threat of physical violence", how's that selective reading?


ssgtdt/fogtripper, you want to meet me on a firing line? Heck, you have my address so come and meet me. Seems like a tall order from a chap who doesn't even use or ever give anyone their name though.

From the very special thread Tim created that you have been posting in. You are dumb enough to consume all the garbage he produces and defend the guy. Truly sad.

You idiots really have no idea how damaging his idiocy is to your club. But hey, it was only formed for a cheaper way to qualify for purchases. Charlie should be ware of the actions of his founding members or he himself will get a surprise audit, courtesy of the people who are taking note of Sean's & Tim's meltdowns.

[Punch The Clown]

How did this whole thing get stirred up again anyway? Like O said, who poked the bear? Did someone just forget what it was like to argue on the internet?

Anyway, I have to say I am super-duper surprised the carbine sales didn't get brought up too.

Tickets number 3, 4, 5

[timshufflin]

As were your thoughts above Sir. I just wish what you had written above could have been shared there.

Unfortunately the CMP thread you linked has been shutdown, but not before the threat of physical violence from the OP. No doubt, he's here in spirit. :)

I found it odd how you could post in response to one party, and the other would respond instead. Very odd indeed. Perhaps Fog forgot what log-in he was on when responding?

Post 57 was indeed stellar. I'd join the guy who wrote that any day on the firing line :) I'm a little surprised though because I saw fog tripping once at the CMP and it just wouldn't do well with a firing line soiree. The guy was wearing one of those doctors mirrors and "inspecting" every damn gun barrel in the North Store. I have no idea what it was trying to accomplish but it was damn funny.

The mirror was one of these jammies.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/19C-ANTIQUE-MEDICAL-Dr-ZIEGLER-HEAD-MIRROR-REFLECTOR-/291121207033

[timshufflin]

How did this whole thing get stirred up again anyway? Like O said, who poked the bear? Did someone just forget what it was like to argue on the internet?

Anyway, I have to say I am super-duper surprised the carbine sales didn't get brought up too.

Got started like this:
1. Charlie, he runs the M1CC, goes to the South Store and try's to gather data about what's going on at the CMP, pictures, back story's...
2. Charlie posts these photo's on the pages he runs on facebook as well as any backstory. It's a service he offers frequently in lieu of a magazine (I'm just guessing on this as I'm not an officer of the M1CC).
3. Charlie started getting requests from the CMP to remove his pictures for whatever reason they gave. On the surface I can understand that if the reason's are valid.
4. Problem, gca comes out with video and has footage in it of the same areas and scenes that Charlie's photo's pictured.
5. No request from the CMP to remove that though, hell they participated in it.

Now, the gca and the M1CC are both equal clubs and of the same exact standing in regards to CMP purchases and such. If the CMP wanted the M1CC to remove photo's until "X" date and then all clubs could post them, that would be fine, that's not what happened. The gca put up their "scoop" piece and the CMP never contacted the M1CC to tell them that they could put up their photo's.

This is the story to the best of my knowledge. I do not pretend to know every detail of the above scenario. I do know that Charlie used to have a decent relationship with Orest and Orest even took him around the CMP, plus allowed photo's. Since Mr. Johnson took over, it is my impression that that sort of courtesy has been lacking. It is also my understanding that Charlie has been sent off on his own to take his own photo's, well he did and then was told to take them down.

Again, Charlie can add more to this but I believe he's on vacation right now.

Finally, Sean posted this issue on one of the M1CC facebook Garand pages that Charlie runs with a following of 20,063 members.
Then fogtripper/ssgtdt got in on it and brought a link of the facebook conversation over to the CMP. The guy couldn't get enough of the drama over on the CMP.

I think that roughly sums it up.

[canes7]

I see. Double standard.

[timshufflin]

I see. Double standard.

Sean knows more about this than I do. I did my best to capture the flavor of this crap pile. I think Sean may be around soon, he's out at some PTA thing he runs.

The Facebook thing got all out of sorts. It wandered into all sorts of areas that were off topic. I am partly to blame for that but I really have no idea how to explain to folks that the CMP is not a private company, they are a quasi government agency and they live off of and are funded by tax payer assets. This detail is very important to the argument. If the CMP was started by hard working American's, with their own money, buying their own stuff, with their own money, then I couldn't possibly care less who they give access. Trying to get that light bulb to go off in folks so that they get what the CMP is and isn't is not so easy.

When you try and explain to people that the CMP is a government defacto agency they immediately say that the CMP paid 4 or 5 million dollars for the 960,000 Philippine rifles. Well, the CMP did NOT pay 4 or 5 million dollars for those rifles. The CMP paid 4 or 5 million dollars to have those rifles shipped, stored, fumigated and whatever other service was required to get them from there to here. The CMP paid exactly $0 for the rifles though. That's roughly $40 to $50 per rifle for all shipping and fumigating and this is the total cost of sale from port to port. There is NO company in the United States that would turn down a COS of $45 to make $650 on average. Even after taking into account their employees, if they run the same type numbers as other free market enterprises, the CMP might get to a total Cost Of Sales of $100. Those are freak numbers and I know I'd love to have a mark up anywhere near that. See, I went into the weeds again.

[dogboysdad]

Every time I post here, Foggy is with us. Has been for years.

[timshufflin]

Dogboysdad is referencing his signature line "I have absolutely no idea why you would trust something as important as your life to the people on this forum" Fogtripper 1-6-10

[Prince Humperdink]

We really need this right now...
https://youtu.be/1jjcxFGEysE