timshufflin
07-28-2011, 06:06 PM
Any of you see this thread on the CMP? http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=50631&page=3
E-7Ret blazes and Aimit bastardizes his words into strawmans. I say Bravo E-7Ret and I think it goes without saying that OF COURSE you're not talking about Felons being able to carry, you're talking about free men. When you become a felon, you give up freedoms as consequence of your betrayal of society.
Today, 12:08 PM
E-7Ret.
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Loveland, Ohio
Posts: 2,671
I guess I must be the only one standing out in right field on this. On the subject of the Cops, they were wrong. They could have been dead-wrong. From my viewpoint, it's the Cops like this that prove LEOs need more control, not the citizens.
On Carrying concealed. This may not sit well with you Officers of the Law but, I don't care. 1.) I feel every State should have a Vermont-Style law for Carrying. That is, no law at all. Vermont is the only State that actually follows Constitutional law. The right to keep and BEAR arms is just that, a right, not a priveledge that can be controlled by the State or Law Enforcement. You all serve us, you don't control us. 2.) I feel personally that alot of the problem LEOs have with citizens exercising this RIGHT is a perceived loss of Power over the people. Here's a little wake-up call, people, honest,law-abiding people respect the Badge, not necessarily you. Respect for you comes from how much you respect others. It's not something that automatically comes with the Badge. You gentlemen are intrusted with protecting the public, you can't do that being heavy-handed with people. 3.) It shocks me to no end to hear of Police Officers stating that people shouldn't have relaxed laws on carrying firearms. More fighting for a last ounce of control and perceived power. You, of all people, should know that 98% of the time, you only face problems after the crime has been committed. You, most of the time, aren't there to deal with the actual crime in progress. Not your fault either. I guess it comes down to who's personal-safety is most paramount, yours or the victims. Sorry but, I side with the potential victims, as you should too. 4.) Every study done so far with even a shred of intellectual Honesty has shown that CCW Carriers are more law-abiding than the population in general. you have absolutely nothing to fear from CCW holders. Believe it or not, they're on your side. You all need to quit treating them like suspects and start trusting them like you want them to trust you.
Gotta get off this soapbox before it breaks.
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E-7Ret blazes and Aimit bastardizes his words into strawmans. I say Bravo E-7Ret and I think it goes without saying that OF COURSE you're not talking about Felons being able to carry, you're talking about free men. When you become a felon, you give up freedoms as consequence of your betrayal of society.
Today, 12:08 PM
E-7Ret.
CMP Customer
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Loveland, Ohio
Posts: 2,671
I guess I must be the only one standing out in right field on this. On the subject of the Cops, they were wrong. They could have been dead-wrong. From my viewpoint, it's the Cops like this that prove LEOs need more control, not the citizens.
On Carrying concealed. This may not sit well with you Officers of the Law but, I don't care. 1.) I feel every State should have a Vermont-Style law for Carrying. That is, no law at all. Vermont is the only State that actually follows Constitutional law. The right to keep and BEAR arms is just that, a right, not a priveledge that can be controlled by the State or Law Enforcement. You all serve us, you don't control us. 2.) I feel personally that alot of the problem LEOs have with citizens exercising this RIGHT is a perceived loss of Power over the people. Here's a little wake-up call, people, honest,law-abiding people respect the Badge, not necessarily you. Respect for you comes from how much you respect others. It's not something that automatically comes with the Badge. You gentlemen are intrusted with protecting the public, you can't do that being heavy-handed with people. 3.) It shocks me to no end to hear of Police Officers stating that people shouldn't have relaxed laws on carrying firearms. More fighting for a last ounce of control and perceived power. You, of all people, should know that 98% of the time, you only face problems after the crime has been committed. You, most of the time, aren't there to deal with the actual crime in progress. Not your fault either. I guess it comes down to who's personal-safety is most paramount, yours or the victims. Sorry but, I side with the potential victims, as you should too. 4.) Every study done so far with even a shred of intellectual Honesty has shown that CCW Carriers are more law-abiding than the population in general. you have absolutely nothing to fear from CCW holders. Believe it or not, they're on your side. You all need to quit treating them like suspects and start trusting them like you want them to trust you.
Gotta get off this soapbox before it breaks.
__________________
"Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas"
Jeff Cooper