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Originally Posted by timshufflin

I'm sensitive to that Sir. I would ask though, what about those who pay these taxes and are being crunched to the bread line themselves? Who's interest is more important, the dependents who receive the tax dollars or the creators/providers of the tax dollars? I would argue the interest of private property is that which is best served. Whatever is given to one must first be taken from someone else.

The founders argued very strongly against having standing army's when there was no war to be fought. Unless I'm missing some current declaration of war, it's time to trim the military down to something less intrusive on my family's budget. I have use for my money, I'd like to use it.

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^^^^^^ What else is there to say?????

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Originally Posted by toolman

^^^^^^ What else is there to say?????

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You're shitting me right?


Seriously.


How about we just cut the socialist bullcrap and fund the programs that this country was built on, namely heavy industry and war.

If you think you tough guys can last for long on your K-rats and cb radios without the heavy hand of Thor, you are sorely mistaken.

Realize this... we are in the forge right now.

We are between the Russian hammer and the Chinese anvil. I will gladly pay for an Aegis cruiser to be sitting dockside at the lake when the U.N. decides to turn on us.

Because your M1 won't turn back an Akula class submarine.

All I can say is at least Electric Boat isn't moving it's operation to China with our bailout money like chrysler is.

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Originally Posted by Jimbo Slice

You're shitting me right?


Seriously.


How about we just cut the socialist bullcrap and fund the programs that this country was built on, namely heavy industry and war.

If you think you tough guys can last for long on your K-rats and cb radios without the heavy hand of Thor, you are sorely mistaken.

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Who is being a tough guy? Let's not swap hats about who the tough guys usually represent as a "side". The "tough guy" says the answer to every problem is a bigger hammer or another war. The "tough guy" will circumvent the constitution for short term national gains. I am no "tough guy", I'm a guy who wants to follow my laws, remain free from tyranny both abroad and right here at home. Tyranny IS being forced to pay someone MY money to make something that I DO NOT need so that THAT person can simply have a job.

Again, there is NO person more deserving of MY money than ME ME ME ME ME. How are you Jimbo Slice, more deserving of MY money than MY family is? Why should you have my money, spend my money on your children and your needs while my family suffers without the use of MY money?

Your patriotism card is over used and it has been used fare too many times by far to many people who want our money. Add yourself to the list of other welfare recipients who cry patriot to steal my money;
- farmers
- defense contractors
- the medical field
- teachers
- the auto industry

All these pieces of #$%^ tell me that my money is needed by them because of national security and that SOMEHOW their families deserve my money more than MY OWN DAMN family. I say, $%^ you ALL!, I want MY money back!

So, do you not believe in paying taxes at all?

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Originally Posted by Jimbo Slice

So, do you not believe in paying taxes at all?

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Taxes collected to fulfill article 1 section 8 are valid taxes, this includes taxes to fund the military. Funding the military as a jobs program and not because we have use for it is no better than paying welfare money to those who won't work and does not comply with article 1 section 8.

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Originally Posted by timshufflin

Funding the military as a jobs program and not because we have use for it is no better than paying welfare money to those who won't work and does not comply with article 1 section 8.

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I guess I just don't understand how someone can logically believe that we have no use for a strong military. The deterrent factor alone is worth the cost in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Jimbo Slice

I guess I just don't understand how someone can logically believe that we have no use for a strong military. The deterrent factor alone is worth the cost in my opinion.

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Sir, who said "we have no use for a strong military"? I mean, except the founding Fathers of this country, who said that?

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Originally Posted by timshufflin

Sir, who said "we have no use for a strong military"? I mean, except the founding Fathers of this country, who said that?

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Yeah, and that worked out real well for them in 1814 when the British captured and burned Washington D.C. The War of 1812 was a military catastrophe for the fledgling United States. We owe the French for assistance in that one.


Just because they were the "Founding Fathers", doesn't mean they got everything right.