Watching Gold Rush, yah, you guessed it, my government is a bunch of losers.

I get what you're saying, but the regulations were put in place to protect the miners. I think the level of anal-retentiveness of the inspectors should be examined!

Devil's Advocate:
You own a manufacturing company that operates machinery and kids are necessary to climb inside to clean, etc. It's a dangerous job and many are injured and sometimes killed. It's your property and you can do what you want without regulation and oversight?

Do you want your kid working there when you aren't sure if the owners have safety in mind?

I feel better, my wife gives me grief for watching this train-wreck of a show. I really like the grandson, hope that I have the same energy level his grandfather does at 90+...must be that clean Alaskan air.

Digression alert: Fly Wild Alaska is a really good show too...the daughters are cute. :)

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Originally Posted by cuppednlocked

I get what you're saying, but the regulations were put in place to protect the miners. I think the level of anal-retentiveness of the inspectors should be examined!

Devil's Advocate:
You own a manufacturing company that operates machinery and kids are necessary to climb inside to clean, etc. It's a dangerous job and many are injured and sometimes killed. It's your property and you can do what you want without regulation and oversight?

Do you want your kid working there when you aren't sure if the owners have safety in mind?

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The same thing that already happens now when negligence is show, you get sued. Nothing changes there, the difference is that people are free to choose on their own up until they infringe on another. I am not worried about miner safety, I could not care any less, I care about freedom.

Pay now or pay later. All this OSHA, NIOSH, MSHA, and tons of others impose safety and health standards in the work place. Compliance costs a fortune. Now, take all the free men that choose to disregard health and safety rules. They end up disabled and costing the taxpayers tons of money a year to support them, their families, medical care, etc. It's a lose-lose for the taxpayer.

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Pay now or pay later. All this OSHA, NIOSH, MSHA, and tons of others impose safety and health standards in the work place. Compliance costs a fortune. Now, take all the free men that choose to disregard health and safety rules. They end up disabled and costing the taxpayers tons of money a year to support them, their families, medical care, etc. It's a lose-lose for the taxpayer.

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Maybe I wasn't clear, I don't care. I just don't care in the least what other free men do. Give yourself the cancer from smoking, don't care. Drive without insurance and get in a bad accident while needing home medical for life, don't care. Work at a mine, get hurt, need life long care, don't care.

Your premise pre supposes that I am some how on the hook for caring. That I am somehow accountable to pay for every single person who screws up and will NOT take care of themselves, I could not care any less about these people.

Your premise is not correct therefore I cannot argue the point.

When I last looked at my tax return there was no check box saying "I choose not to pay for all these people with self-imposed injuries and illnesses, whether real or imaginary". I see pricks everyday on DIS SSI with imaginary back injuries and assorted other maladies. Show me the box that says I won't pay for these pricks anymore and I'll check it off gladly.

You also don't see the box that says you don't have to have some government fool inspect your mine but here I am talking about it. This thread is not about what is but about what should be.

WTH is with this time-out BS?

If I take longer than 2 sec. to post it times out. Does not make it easyt to be very verbose.

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WTH is with this time-out BS?

If I take longer than 2 sec. to post it times out. Does not make it easyt to be very verbose.

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I don't know, not sure what is happening.

I believe you have to have some standards set to actually be negligent. If there were no regs or guidelines to follow there would only be chaos. You can't live in a society without laws. People are inherently bad, give most a chance to do the wrong thing and they will do it.

You want total freedom? The answer is to completely withdraw from society.

I doubt you complain about the other restrictions to your freedom on the road... those pesky speed limits!

Even the Founding Fathers had rules in place to govern.