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KK, the first people who actually PAID for social security PAID and EXTRA tax for it. NO EXTRA tax was paid by the first people who received it. Therefore, the first recipients did NOT pay into the system.

You cannot simply let those who are currently retired take their social security and and tell those paying right now that they no longer have to pay and here's your money back. If you did this, the people currently retired would not be able to receive anymore money, there wouldn't be any.

Sean once tried to explain this to you, I fear I have failed as well.

And I tried to explain that the money is, in fact, there, it's just been "moved" by the Congress. Move it back, pay back what was paid in to those who have not yet collected their share back, stop paying the others (maybe tax them for any extra they got above and beyond their contributions and interest?) and abolish this system for those under 50. Or 55. Pick an age. It doesn't matter. The system is so broken, there is no other way to fix it. Let the individual invest his own money as he sees fit, tax free, for his or her retirement.

KK makes sense. If you rob a bank and get caught I'm sure you have to pay the money back. Let congress do the same.

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Originally Posted by KnickKnack

And I tried to explain that the money is, in fact, there, it's just been "moved" by the Congress. Move it back, pay back what was paid in to those who have not yet collected their share back, stop paying the others (maybe tax them for any extra they got above and beyond their contributions and interest?) and abolish this system for those under 50. Or 55. Pick an age. It doesn't matter. The system is so broken, there is no other way to fix it. Let the individual invest his own money as he sees fit, tax free, for his or her retirement.

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KK, my money is GONE. Where did it go? It is going to every retiree who is currently on the dole. It is gone, gone forever. When and if I get any money it will be stolen from my and your children.

Tims plan for Social security ready?
Bill gets social security right now, he never paid in but he's old
Dan and Al get taxed right now to pay for bill.
20 years later, I end my plan. Dan and AL want their money.
Dan and Al can't get their money because Bill is dead and spent their money.
Dan and Al want me to give them my money to pay them back. I don't have any money, I gave it to Bill.

Is this so hard to understand? It seems like simple math. Now, I could print some money and pay Dan and Al, but it would be worth NOTHING.

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Originally Posted by timshufflin

KK, my money is GONE. Where did it go? It is going to every retiree who is currently on the dole. It is gone, gone forever. When and if I get any money it will be stolen from my and your children.

Tims plan for Social security ready?
Bill gets social security right now, he never paid in but he's old
Dan and Al get taxed right now to pay for bill.
20 years later, I end my plan. Dan and AL want their money.
Dan and Al can't get their money because Bill is dead and spent their money.
Dan and Al want me to give them my money to pay them back. I don't have any money, I gave it to Bill.

Is this so hard to understand? It seems like simple math. Now, I could print some money and pay Dan and Al, but it would be worth NOTHING.

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Tim, you're standing over the toilet bowl trying to talk logic and sense the last #$% you dropped. Do yourself a favor and just flush. You're never going to have a break through

You have left a lot of facts out of your argument and you refuse to see the other side of the debate. It's much like watching edited news reports from NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, etc. I tried to explain what happened, how it worked, before Congress dipped into the fund. I tried to explain the Congress has taken the money and used it in other places, while still bringing in revenue, in the form of taxes or borrowing. There is still money in the Treasury. That money just needs to be focused in the correct places, ie, ending Social Security in the manner or similiar to which I explained. It is obvous that you have no desire to debate, but rather to preach. It is your forum, I thank you for the chance to speak in it, but at the end of the day, you still own the forum and your ideas will always prevail. I await the outcome of the November elections to see if America is truly dead, as I now believe that it is. The Constitution is being trampled on by one side and waved vigorously by the other. Trampling it destroys it. Waving it shreds it. Both sides are destroying the Principles by their arrongence and entrenchment. Good Luck and Good Day.

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Tim, you're standing over the toilet bowl trying to talk logic and sense the last log you dropped. Do yourself a favor and just flush. You're never going to have a break through

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I don't know what I have done to you, but I do not appreciate being called a piece of @#$% just because I chose to debate an issue. That is the tactic of the Liberals when they have nothing to add to the debate and are losing it; call the other side nasty, dirty names. I never thought of you as a Liberal, but now you use the same tactic. I honestly thought that you were a better man than that. I wish you nothing but the best and hope that someday you can put aside the hate.

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Originally Posted by KnickKnack

You have left a lot of facts out of your argument and you refuse to see the other side of the debate. It's much like watching edited news reports from NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, etc. I tried to explain what happened, how it worked, before Congress dipped into the fund. I tried to explain the Congress has taken the money and used it in other places, while still bringing in revenue, in the form of taxes or borrowing. There is still money in the Treasury. That money just needs to be focused in the correct places, ie, ending Social Security in the manner or similiar to which I explained. It is obvous that you have no desire to debate, but rather to preach. It is your forum, I thank you for the chance to speak in it, but at the end of the day, you still own the forum and your ideas will always prevail. I await the outcome of the November elections to see if America is truly dead, as I now believe that it is. The Constitution is being trampled on by one side and waved vigorously by the other. Trampling it destroys it. Waving it shreds it. Both sides are destroying the Principles by their arrongence and entrenchment. Good Luck and Good Day.

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Preach? You just preached to me and I accept it and don't mind it a bit. I can take as good as I can give.

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Originally Posted by KnickKnack

I don't know what I have done to you, but I do not appreciate being called a piece of @#$% just because I chose to debate an issue. That is the tactic of the Liberals when they have nothing to add to the debate and are losing it; call the other side nasty, dirty names. I never thought of you as a Liberal, but now you use the same tactic. I honestly thought that you were a better man than that. I wish you nothing but the best and hope that someday you can put aside the hate.

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LMAO, now that is some funny stuff. You gentleman are killing me.

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Originally Posted by timshufflin

LMAO, now that is some funny stuff. You gentleman are killing me.

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I'm glad you got a laugh out of it at my expense. Apparently you can no longer sort serious comments from humorous ones.